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Post subject: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:58 am
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/new ... uty/ncKfM/

They were either hunting while on duty, or falsified time slips to get paid for working while they were hunting.

Amazing they never gave any thought to the fact that somebody might compare the data in the payroll system with the data in the deer checking system.


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:07 pm
490 employees, 18 bad actors = over 3 1/2% dishonest employees.

There are, at this time, 83 Wildlife officers, 18 bad actors = over 21% dishonest Wildlife officers.

But, why does it take 5 employees to support one wildlife officers? This is upside-down management.
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Post Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:16 pm
And I know one of them personally. :(
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Post Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:21 pm
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But, why does it take 5 employees to support one wildlife officers? This is upside-down management.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
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But, why does it take 5 employees to support one wildlife officers? This is upside-down management.


That's actually a pretty good "tooth to tail" ratio. In DoD it's closer to 9 support to one combat type. That's what makes us "logistically excellent."

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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:22 am
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color of law wrote:

But, why does it take 5 employees to support one wildlife officers? This is upside-down management.


That's actually a pretty good "tooth to tail" ratio. In DoD it's closer to 9 support to one combat type. That's what makes us "logistically excellent."

There's a bit of difference in mission for combat types and DNR officers - at least, I hope so.

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:55 am
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Viking wrote:
color of law wrote:

But, why does it take 5 employees to support one wildlife officers? This is upside-down management.


That's actually a pretty good "tooth to tail" ratio. In DoD it's closer to 9 support to one combat type. That's what makes us "logistically excellent."

There's a bit of difference in mission for combat types and DNR officers - at least, I hope so.


I'm sure there are other things within the administration besides directly supporting the officers in the field. Federal grant programs that have to be administrated, vendors that have to be managed (those thousands of private businesses selling licenses,) on top of the "beans and bullets" support folks.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:45 pm
This turned out to be mostly a witch hunt. 16 are back to work.

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One officer, who was not immediately named, has been referred for discipline. Another has retired.


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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:55 pm
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This turned out to be mostly a witch hunt. 16 are back to work.

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One officer, who was not immediately named, has been referred for discipline. Another has retired.


Source: http://wosu.org/2012/news/2014/02/04/oh ... jobs-back/


Either a witch hunt or protecting their own.....

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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:28 pm
I know one of the Officers and never doubted from the start that it was BS.
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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:41 am
Interesting, the exact details would be even MORE interesting.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:45 am
I found a more in depth article.................

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The inspector general's report, issued in December, said "lack of accountability and supervision along with failure of wildlife officers' compliance with the communication policy" was not only a legal issue but a safety concern.

Meyer launched the probe after an earlier investigation resulted in the convictions of two Brown County officers. He said he suspected it was more than an isolated incident.

McCorkle said Meyer's comparison of deer harvest and payroll records failed to tell the whole story. She said the investigation considered officers on duty once they entered their vehicles, though they have "very flexible schedules" that can include making checks from home in the mornings and attending public meetings at night.

The state has put new record-keeping protocols and officer education requirements in place to prevent similar problems in the future, she said.

The department's 140-member Wildlife Division has at least one wildlife officer in each of the state's 88 counties. Officers returned to work Tuesday in Adams, Belmont, Butler, Champaign, Columbiana, Defiance, Fayette, Franklin, Gallia, Geauga, Hocking, Holmes, Mercer, Sandusky, Stark, Vinton and Wyandot counties.

According to Meyer's findings, the Highland County officer harvested deer while on state time on two dates in late 2009. On a third date in January 2011 he harvested a deer on state time or his work hours were reported improperly, the watchdog reported.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:20 am
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Interesting, the exact details would be even MORE interesting.

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Basically they kept their own hours and records since they worked out of their home. Any of you ever do that? The log for tagging the deer overlapped when records showed they were working. I know this Officer comes to our club meetings in the evening for example (for updates and questions). For example he might start an hour late in the morning knowing that he will make that hour up in that evening. They were just moving hours around mixing personal and work time. It was a common practice for them.
If he spent a morning hunting he would just add that lost time to other days to make it up.
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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:19 pm
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willbird wrote:
Interesting, the exact details would be even MORE interesting.

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Basically they kept their own hours and records since they worked out of their home. Any of you ever do that? The log for tagging the deer overlapped when records showed they were working. I know this Officer comes to our club meetings in the evening for example (for updates and questions). For example he might start an hour late in the morning knowing that he will make that hour up in that evening. They were just moving hours around mixing personal and work time. It was a common practice for them.
If he spent a morning hunting he would just add that lost time to other days to make it up.


Well there was clear abuse in a few cases (as I read it) leading them to dig deeper and make sure it was not widespread. What they dug out made it appear as if there WAS a bigger issue. So they were suspended pending further investigation.....probably WITH pay.

That deeper investigation exonerated them (again as I am reading it) but also revealed some were not following procedures, making them possibly part of the problem that led to them getting essentially a paid vacation til it was sorted out.

These officers are sworn LEO in Ohio, they have full LE powers, and they write tickets and fine people who quite possibly made the same types of paperwork errors.

For the purpose of workers compensation and civil liability at the very LEAST it is important to establish a record of exactly WHEN they were working for the state of Ohio, and when they were on their own free time. That record should be iron clad and not able to be edited by anybody but a supervisor (somebody must administer them). This is exactly why many hourly employees must clock out to leave the property for lunch, then clock back in when they return............to protect the company somewhat for liability purposes.

So maybe this will nail that down a bit better.

I am glad we did not have as large a percentage of "bad apples" as it first appeared, but even the percentage we DID have is alarming in light of the fact that they ARE sworn LEO and entrusted to manage and report their own work hours.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio DNR officers nailed for hunting on duty
Post Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:24 pm
They have 140 members, and it was looking like 18/140 were a problem, but it turns out only 2/140 are/were.

Both good and bad IMHO..........what ELSE is going on if 1.5% (rounded up from 1.4 something) were doing what they got caught at ??

The old Fulton County game warden back in the day wrote a guy up for not having a writing instrument while hunting Deer. He felt there was no way the guy could have properly tagged a deer if he did not have a pen or pencil with him hunting.

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