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Post subject: vote
Post Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:20 pm
I know the wildlife council is supposed to vote on the hunting regs proposal today, has that happened yet or is that sometime this evening ? and if so will we know anything today ?

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Post subject: Re: vote
Post Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:03 pm
The meeting does not start until 6:30 pm. Probably won't hear any news til tomorrow
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Post subject: Re: vote
Post Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:53 pm
Council approved the PCR proposal of the following cartridges

Legal deer hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.
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Post subject: Re: vote
Post Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:30 pm
I've never been deer hunting but does .38spl and 45acp actually have the umph to reliably take down deer?
I mean even from a rifle you're only looking at what 25-35% increase in velocity?

On the other hand some of those calibers approved are quite fierce, the .500 S&W I think runs around 1800-2000fps iirc, and has similar energy to a .308 (just twice as heavy and about 2/3rd the speed)

Perhaps it's the velocity they are concerned with for not allowing rifles?

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Post subject: Re: vote
Post Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:35 pm
valian wrote:
Council approved the PCR proposal of the following cartridges:

.... .45 Smith & Wesson......


Unless i'm mistaken this round is also known as the .45 Schofield from the late 19th century. Maybe not the wimpiest caliber on the list, but generally speaking less "oomph" than a .45 Colt or .45 acp.

If it wasn't for Cowboy Action shooting bring it back from the dead there'd be virtually no brass or loaded ammo available for the .45 S&W a/k/a .45 Schofield.

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Post subject: Re: vote
Post Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:27 pm
I want to say thank you to all that have worked so hard for many seasons to get this passed. THANK YOU !

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:44 pm
So is it just the cartridges listed or is it any straight walled cartridge currently legal in ah bad gun now. I saw a clip that said that all the straight walled cartridges currently legal now would be allowed and I have also saw the list of specific cartridges. I was just seeing if I could use my 450 marlin or if I need to save up for a new rifle. Either way thanks to everyone for their hard work.
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Post subject: Re: vote
Post Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:35 pm
spook1 wrote:
So is it just the cartridges listed or is it any straight walled cartridge currently legal in ah bad gun now. I saw a clip that said that all the straight walled cartridges currently legal now would be allowed and I have also saw the list of specific cartridges. I was just seeing if I could use my 450 marlin or if I need to save up for a new rifle. Either way thanks to everyone for their hard work.


For now it is just the cartridges on the list.

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:44 pm
So, no .40 S&W, 10mm, etc?

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:48 pm
Good job everyone that worked on this and a big thank you! Now to go rifle shopping...

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:04 pm
i'll echo that, ....great work on this!

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Post subject: Re: vote
Post Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:46 pm
Joe Sixpack wrote:
I've never been deer hunting but does .38spl and 45acp actually have the umph to reliably take down deer?
I mean even from a rifle you're only looking at what 25-35% increase in velocity?

On the other hand some of those calibers approved are quite fierce, the .500 S&W I think runs around 1800-2000fps iirc, and has similar energy to a .308 (just twice as heavy and about 2/3rd the speed)

Perhaps it's the velocity they are concerned with for not allowing rifles?


It is important when hunting to know your limitations and to know the limitations of the equipment you are using. I have taken deer with loads in SA revolvers limited to low velocity loads that were in the 45acp class. I simply limited my shots to about 30 yds or less and only took the same kind of shots I take with arrows. No problem. The 38 special is down there but in a rifle with a heavy charge and a heavy well-constructed bullet it could get the job done if you understand the limitations and shoot accordingly.

The trajectory of the bullet is the main concern. The slow bullets drop much faster and so have shorter ranges.
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