Brian D. wrote:
Also, when I participated in Cowboy Action matches, there was/is a category called "gunfighter" which requires one revolver for each hand. It was such a blast to see I just had to get the gear and run some matches that way. Lots of fun.
Galco Custom Shop (IIRC, the ones that actually made the double-SOB for the John Woo movie Face/Off
), Bell Charter Oak Holsters, Black Hills Leather, Rankin Saddlery, and Nevada Gun Leather are just a few I know that build actually workable leather double-SOB (aka. "The Castor Troy" or "NY Reload") rigs (and because of the interest that movie and its leading villain sparked, imitation/airsoft/paintball rigs also sprung up: for example, ZOSPEC Japan made a replica - though not nearly of the same quality as the Galco Custom Shop original).
K-Rounds builds a double SOB in Kydex.
The draw-stroke for dual wielding -
- is kinda weird with a double-SOB, and while I've never tried it with a Kydex rig, after seeing this picture of the K-Rounds:
^ I actually think that a palms-out draw on a leather holster, which has a little give so that the guns can slip out of the holster at a more acute angle once retention is broken and the draw has started - would be much more natural. Kydex, I think, would necessitate the palms-in method seen with the K-Rounds simply due to the stiffness of the material, and it would also limit the angle at which the guns can be carried - which, no matter how it's cut, is going to be a huge compromise in terms of comfort/concealment, particularly when the guns get large.
The Galcom Custom Shop piece is interesting, though - the retention is pretty unique, and it's actually open on both outer portions, allowing for a smooth "up and OUT" draw (with a straight-down holster-stroke). There should be an old thread (c.2009-2010?) thread on ARFCOM that shows exactly how it was done. Really, really slick, but much more expensive than the other custom leather rigs I named above.
I purchased the Rankin rig for airsoft gaming
, actually, and it's pretty neat. It held my twin airsoft 1911s higher and tighter (since it's a true pancake setup) than what the Galco Custom Shop item achieves, but the "V" angle is more relaxed (so it doesn't look as neat/cool as the Galco piece). Originally, IIRC, Rankin designed that particular SOB with a knife on the off side, at the request of a non-permissive environment specialist.
I used to do a lot of silly stunts playing airsoft - kinda like I was the star in a John Woo movie.
Despite the placement of the holster, I never injured myself.
Then again, I was 15 years younger I was 60 lbs. lighter, and a heck of a lot more flexible in those days.
The two airsoft 1911s on the belt were built to my specs by an "airsmith" in Hong Kong, and each cost about as much as a high-end production 1911.
The two in the twin shoulder rig (which was by Mernickle) are about ~$700 or so. I cobbled those two together from a base of a pair of limited edition airsofts from the then most respected Japanese airsoft gas-blowback pistol maker, and then upgraded and tuned each one with a laundry list of aftermarket parts.
Yes, you counted right. That's 14 spare mags. Airsoft BBs are pretty light.
And yes, I wore a suit (a cheap one - I never came home with a fully intact wardrobe after a skirmish game, I'm rough on equipment) - how else can one play the role of a Triad boss?
Sorry for the derail, but this was just too much fun.
My main issue with SOB carry is access when on the ground.
Skipping the failure(s) that resulted in your being on the ground and the unlikelihood that you'd be looking to bring the gun into the fight at that stage, the fact that it is underneath you, with both your body weight and likely that of your opponent(s) bearing down - that pretty much makes it impossible for you to bring that tool into play, whether you want to or not.
All the other stuff: retention/gun-grab concerns, falling/injury, comfort.... I think that's all very
And finally, I'll end with this:
What, exactly, is "SOB?"
Is that precisely at 6-o'clock? Or is "SOB" also 5-o'clock? Or does that somehow become "behind the hip?"
It's like people debating exactly what's "appendix"/"inguinal" carry. Does it stop at the 1-o'clock? Or can you push it towards the 2 or even 2:30 (where, anatomically, is the appendix? maybe this is why some choose to call this inguinal carry?)? So if your muzzle is at your 6-o'clock but the grip protrudes to your 5 or even 4:30, then what is that - is that a "SOB" holster, or is that a "behind the hip?" Does that magically then make that holster more appropriate for carry?
Figure out what *you* want/need out of how you carry. Find the right gear to mesh with those wants and needs.