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Post subject: CCW Trunk or Inside
Post Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:02 pm
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I did my CCW class about 4 weeks ago and i am now awaiting on my ccw card. While i wait i was talking to a friend at my gun club and was telling him that the only reason i wanted a CCW was to be able to carry my handguns inside the car while i drive to the range and not in the trunk. As its too cold now to have them in trunk. He replied that he thought is was still illegal for me to carry my 2 handgun on the backseat with me.

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I am allowed to carry my gun bag with 2 pistols on the back seat or the front seat while i am driving to the range if i have a CCW.
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Post subject: Re: CCW Trunk or Inside
Post Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:14 pm
noproblem wrote:
Background

I did my CCW class about 4 weeks ago and i am now awaiting on my ccw card. While i wait i was talking to a friend at my gun club and was telling him that the only reason i wanted a CCW was to be able to carry my handguns inside the car while i drive to the range and not in the trunk. As its too cold now to have them in trunk. He replied that he thought is was still illegal for me to carry my 2 handgun on the backseat with me.

Question

I am allowed to carry my gun bag with 2 pistols on the back seat or the front seat while i am driving to the range if i have a CCW.


If you have a CHL (CCW license) you can carry them however you want. Even without a CHL you can have them unloaded in a bag on your back seat or front seat, as long as any loaded magazines are not in the same bag. The rule about the guns having to be in the trunk applied to people without a CHL, and was modified in September 2011.

The law on this is 2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.

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(B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;
(4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.
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(F)(5) Divisions (B) and (C) of this section do not apply to a person who transports or possesses a handgun in a motor vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, both of the following apply:
(a) The person transporting or possessing the handgun is carrying a valid concealed handgun license.
(b) The person transporting or possessing the handgun is not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.
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Post subject: Re: CCW Trunk or Inside
Post Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:26 pm
To continue from DontTreadOnMe's post, you can even have the loaded magazines and the unloaded guns in the same range bag *if* the range bag is set up with pouches that close with a fastener (like velcro or a zipper) that provide "complete and separate enclosure" for the magazines and handguns.

For example, my range bag has a main compartment that zips closed and external pouches that also zip. So, even without a license I could put the gun in the main compartment and the loaded magazines in the outside pouches, and even put the bag on the front seat beside me, and as I read it, be perfectly legal.

Here is the definition of "unloaded" from ORC 2923.16 (K) (5) (a)

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(a) "Unloaded" means

, with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question , and one of the following applies:

(i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that may be used with the firearm in question.

(ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure.

(b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:

(i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;

(ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents.

(c) For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.

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Post subject: Re: CCW Trunk or Inside
Post Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:23 pm
Thanks both of you this has cleared it up .. no more going into the trunk and shooting with a gun that is freezing.
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