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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:19 am
A little more about this county, lol


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San Juan County is a county located in the Salish Sea in the far northwestern corner of the U.S. state of Washington. It comprises most of the San Juan Islands. The county is named after San Juan Island, which was reportedly named after St. John the Baptist (San Juan Bautista) by the Spanish explorer Francisco de Eliza in 1791. The area that now constitutes San Juan County was part of Whatcom County until October 31, 1873. The county seat and the county's only incorporated city is Friday Harbor, on San Juan Island. As of the 2010 census, its population was 15,769. It is the smallest of Washington's 39 counties in land area. It is the only county in Washington not to have state highways.

Geography

San Juan County is a cluster of approximately 200 islands (172 of which are named). It has rugged, rocky shoreline and several mountains. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the county has a total area of 621 square miles (1,610 km2). Of this, 175 square miles (453 km2) is land and 446 square miles (1,160 km2) is water. Among Washington counties, it is the smallest by land area and has the highest ratio of water-to-land area; the adjacent Island County is the only other county in the state to have greater water area than land area. The highest point in the county is Mount Constitution on Orcas Island at 2,407 feet (734 m) above sea level.

Major islands
There are 743 islands in the San Juan Island chain. Most of the county's population lives on the largest four islands, which are the only county islands served by the Washington State Ferries. The four largest islands are:

Orcas Island (147.37 km²/56.9 sq mi)
San Juan Island (143.23 km²/55.3 sq mi)
Lopez Island (76.40 km²/29.5 sq mi)
Shaw Island (19.94 km²/7.7 sq mi)


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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:29 am
Here we go again. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:38 am
I agree with both of you on several points. For one, Id like to know what Im eating. Two, I think it would be hard to regulate without alot of cost or creating criminals out of people. Three, Id prefer something be left on this world to kill me. They are already taking my cigars and cigs away, cant drink a damn 16oz soda in New York ... next thing you know they will ban meat cause they claim it causes heart disease. We're screwed if we keep messing with everything that makes us happy.

Anywho, this thread reminds me of this ol song when I was younger about a 3 legged chicken which was raised by a family of 3.


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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:43 am
I just don't think any real consideration has been given to the COST associated with creating a pool of non GMO food products.

And the advocates just WANT a goal, without a care as to the cost, they are a tiny vocal minority seeking to force their wild eyed ideas upon the majority by regulatory fiat. This is the SAME way the anti meat lobby, PETA, and the anti gun lobby work their wonders.


And to a large degree when you support the "Monsanto is evil kill GMO" lobby your paying into and lending support to the SAME machinery that seeks to grind up our rights to make our own decisions.

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:39 pm
Well said, Bill. Activists often conveniently forget about the unintended consequences of their goals, or seldom care if their fringe beliefs infringe on the rights of others...

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:20 pm
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Monsanto are evil, but not because of the GMO. They will however shut down by litigation any grower that saves seed, even when that grower does not purchase/plant Monsanto/Monsanto subsidiary seed. All that need happen is for wind to blow GMO pollen into/onto non-Monsanto non GMO plantings. That adulterated seed is considered by Monsanto, to be 'their' product. They then, will litigate the non-GMO farmer out of existence. Corporate bully tactics, backed by the Ag Dept, whose director worked for big ag/industrial farming.

If you are concerned about it. Grow your own. Buy certified non GMO seed. Can, dry, freeze. It's what I do. BTW, if you buy meat/dairy at the grocery, you're buying GMO.

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:30 pm
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noob to the forums alert

Monsanto are evil, but not because of the GMO. They will however shut down by litigation any grower that saves seed, even when that grower does not purchase/plant Monsanto/Monsanto subsidiary seed. All that need happen is for wind to blow GMO pollen into/onto non-Monsanto non GMO plantings. That adulterated seed is considered by Monsanto, to be 'their' product. They then, will litigate the non-GMO farmer out of existence. Corporate bully tactics, backed by the Ag Dept, whose director worked for big ag/industrial farming.

If you are concerned about it. Grow your own. Buy certified non GMO seed. Can, dry, freeze. It's what I do. BTW, if you buy meat/dairy at the grocery, you're buying GMO.


I agree that is the best option if you feel that way. But some very virulent anti Monsanto folks seem to feel that saving seed from a patented product is some kind of birth right.

When we visit Shipshewana we drive past some large seed operations, they employ so many people (sure it is a menial task, but it is a job) that they have huge fleets of school bus's to move them around.

And if they were prevented from GMO alterations they would STILL hold a large market share of hybrid seeds...and you would STILL not be able to simply save some of the crop and replant it the following year as seed.

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:34 pm
More news on this topic...........................

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EU rejects French report linking GM maize to cancer
By Claire Rosemberg (AFP) – 3 days ago
BRUSSELS — The EU's food safety agency definitively rejected Wednesday a bombshell French report linking genetically modified corn to cancer, saying it failed to meet "acceptable scientific standards."
"Serious defects in the design and methodology of a paper by Seralini et al. mean it does not meet acceptable scientific standards," the European Food Safety Authority said in a statement.
"Consequently it is not possible to draw valid conclusions about the occurrence of tumours in the rats tested," the agency said.
EFSA, which reviews the use and authorisation of GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms), added that it "finds there is no need to re-examine its previous safety evaluations of NK603," the genetically modified maize developed by US agribusiness giant Monsanto.
That same conclusion had been reached in separate and independent assessments of Gilles-Eric Seralini's work carried out in six European Union nations, the agency added.
Seralini's research team at France's University of Caen issued a report in September concluding that rats fed on NK603 corn, or exposed to one of Monsanto's weedkillers used with the corn strain, and containing glyphosate, developed tumours.
The study's conclusions, illustrated by horrific images of cancer-ridden rats, caused worldwide alarm.
NK603 is resistant to the Monsanto herbicide Roundup, enabling farmers to use the weedkiller just once in the crop's life-cycle and make substantial savings.
Seralini and his team said their experiment in GM food was the first to follow rats through their lifespan, as opposed to just 90 days.
But many experts quickly questioned its methodology, results and relevance to humans.
The EU agency said its final assessment took into consideration evaluations carried out in Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands.
"EFSA noted the emergence of a broad European consensus," it said, stating that the six countries too found Seralini's conclusions "were not supported by the data presented in the study."

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:07 am
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Australian scientists are expressing grave concerns over a new type of genetically engineered wheat that may cause major health problems for people that consume it.

University of Canterbury Professor Jack Heinemann announced the results of his genetic research into the wheat, a type developed by Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), at a press conference last month.

"What we found is that the molecules created in this wheat, intended to silence wheat genes, can match human genes, and through ingestion, these molecules can enter human beings and potentially silence our genes," Heinemann stated. "The findings are absolutely assured. There is no doubt that these matches exist."
Flinders University Professor Judy Carman and Safe Food Foundation Director Scott Kinnear concurred with Heinemann's analysis.
"If this silences the same gene in us that it silences in the wheat -- well, children who are born with this enzyme not working tend to die by the age of about five," Carman said.
Digital Journal contacted Heniemann and Kinnear for more information on their research and future actions they may take regarding this issue.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/3 ... z2EBrOsAje

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:15 am
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Australian scientists are expressing grave concerns over a new type of genetically engineered wheat that may cause major health problems for people that consume it.

University of Canterbury Professor Jack Heinemann announced the results of his genetic research into the wheat, a type developed by Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), at a press conference last month.

"What we found is that the molecules created in this wheat, intended to silence wheat genes, can match human genes, and through ingestion, these molecules can enter human beings and potentially silence our genes," Heinemann stated. "The findings are absolutely assured. There is no doubt that these matches exist."
Flinders University Professor Judy Carman and Safe Food Foundation Director Scott Kinnear concurred with Heinemann's analysis.
"If this silences the same gene in us that it silences in the wheat -- well, children who are born with this enzyme not working tend to die by the age of about five," Carman said.
Digital Journal contacted Heniemann and Kinnear for more information on their research and future actions they may take regarding this issue.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/3 ... z2EBrOsAje


Well if this is true, people should start dying fairly quickly, then we will know if it is hokum.

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:51 pm
??? Life expectancy has already took a nose dive. Cancer rates are through the roof, worse than ever.

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:43 pm
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??? Life expectancy has already took a nose dive. Cancer rates are through the roof, worse than ever.


Some of us dont care to live the last 20 years of our lives in diapers, on oxygen, or depending on our families or government.

However let me make this point. Without GMO food most of the world would starve and life expectance would depend on if you could steal from others. Even with GMO foods most of the world still starves.
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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:00 pm
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??? Life expectancy has already took a nose dive. Cancer rates are through the roof, worse than ever.


Totally untrue.

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:04 pm
Totally true dude. Cancer has rates have risen about 60% overall since the 50's. Maybe you find comfort in your US census life expectancy numbers, but life expectancy in reality is going down, particularly in women.

Arron, your statement on GMO food is completely inaccurate. People starve because of the evil of man not because of non-GMO foods. There is plenty of food on earth to feed every human being with or without GMO, the people limiting the food to certain people groups are the problem.

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Post subject: Re: Another warning sign
Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:53 pm
youngliberty wrote:
Totally true dude. Cancer has rates have risen about 60% overall since the 50's. Maybe you find comfort in your US census life expectancy numbers, but life expectancy in reality is going down, particularly in women.

Arron, your statement on GMO food is completely inaccurate. People starve because of the evil of man not because of non-GMO foods. There is plenty of food on earth to feed every human being with or without GMO, the people limiting the food to certain people groups are the problem.


Feed a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he feeds himself for a lifetime. Your right, people starve because of the evil of man, but not in the way you think. People starve because they rely on others to feed them, house them, and cure all their ailments. People starve because the evil of man says one is entitled to consume the labors of others. People starve because of the evils of man says your a bad person because you dont share your hard work and dedication with those who have neither.
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