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Post subject: Re: What guns were really used at Sandy Hook?
Post Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:13 am
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I would also agree that the 9/11 "official" story was a sham and that no human has set foot on the moon.



OK, Alex Jones ... Please expain to us 'uninformed' the entire space program & 9/11 are government conspiracies ...

The same government who can't even keep the fact that the CIA director has a mistress a secret...LOL


It isn't that I claim to know something special...just that the upper levels of government are completely courrupt. They are liars, thieves, egoists, and on and on. If there is a method they can use to perpetuate their power, if there is a bogeyman (9/11) they can create to "convince" us that trashing our Constitutional rights (4th amendment gone via Spying on Americans Act) is for the greater good, they'll do just that.
Keep in mind the US has a nasty history of deception. The US funded Hitler, Stalin, and helped the Commies take over China. Through the War they got us to move towards a World Government (the UN) and impose greater Socialism (Social Security)
Regarding the Space Waste, lots of money is spent and contracts awarded, not to put man on the moon, but to orbit spy sattelites and expand power. I find it odd that no one has gone to the moon in 40 years if is so easy. Could be that technology improved enough that an outsider could've called theri bluff, maybe not.
Who benefits? "Never let a crisis go to waste." Hegelian dialectic at play if you're looking for it, all through 20th century politics.
The Insiders provide the Problem, then shape the Response, then steer us to the Solution.
All of the recent school shootings reek of it.
Regarding the CIA director....is it within the realm of possibility that he knew his phone calls e-mails were monitored? Is it possible that he was running interference for the Insiders to divert media attention from something else? Is it possible that he was slummin' with some hussie and got careless? Yeah.
I have learned from my Alex Jones watchi...er....from my studies to NEVER take anything that Big Brother does at face value. Consider the worldwide push towards the welfare state. The world economy is crappy and people want their food stamps. They love their soccer and their football.
Bread and circuses.

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Post subject: Re: What guns were really used at Sandy Hook?
Post Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:13 am
cityboy wrote:
Viking wrote:
cityboy wrote:
I would also agree that the 9/11 "official" story was a sham and that no human has set foot on the moon.



OK, Alex Jones ... Please expain to us 'uninformed' the entire space program & 9/11 are government conspiracies ...

The same government who can't even keep the fact that the CIA director has a mistress a secret...LOL


It isn't that I claim to know something special...just that the upper levels of government are completely courrupt. They are liars, thieves, egoists, and on and on. If there is a method they can use to perpetuate their power, if there is a bogeyman (9/11) they can create to "convince" us that trashing our Constitutional rights (4th amendment gone via Spying on Americans Act) is for the greater good, they'll do just that.


All the more reason why they can't keep a secret. Look up the "free rider problem."
That the USA Patriot Act infringes on civil liberties is no secret. The will of the majority populace via thier elected representatives post 9/11 was to seek a little supposed temporary security at the expense of freedom.

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Keep in mind the US has a nasty history of deception. The US funded Hitler, Stalin, and helped the Commies take over China. Through the War they got us to move towards a World Government (the UN) and impose greater Socialism (Social Security)



Cite sources? In the specific case of China, historically, the US had the exact opposite policy towards containing communism then you describe, and supported the Chinese nationalist government under Chang Kai Sheck ... haven't you ever heard of "the domino theory", the Korean War, or the vietnam war? By most polical scientists accounts, the UN has been a spectacular failure as a 'world governance' body.

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Regarding the Space Waste, lots of money is spent and contracts awarded, not to put man on the moon, but to orbit spy sattelites and expand power. I find it odd that no one has gone to the moon in 40 years if is so easy.


It's not easy, that's why no one has pulled it off other than an extremely powerful US trying to beat the Soviet Union for geo-political military reasons in the late 60s & early 70s. There is no geo-political or economic impetus to support such an expensive space program effort now.

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Could be that technology improved enough that an outsider could've called theri bluff, maybe not.
Who benefits? "Never let a crisis go to waste." Hegelian dialectic at play if you're looking for it, all through 20th century politics. The Insiders provide the Problem, then shape the Response, then steer us to the Solution.



Again, you ascribe way to much power to "insiders" or un-named forces in the goverment. Sure, there are elected and appointed officials with agendas, etc (recent events only confirm this for me, as the obvious anti-gun lawmakers & Brady Bunch, etc. jumped on thier chance to exploit the murder of innocent children to go after our liberties) --- but have you ever sat in a high-level government policy meeting? Trying to get two senior leaders representing different departments or agency interests to agree on one thing is almost imposible with all the entrenched bureaucratic and agency interests. The federal government leaks like sieve too.

I think your missing the point of the philisophical dialectic as well - which is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject, who wish to establish the truth of the matter guided by reasoned argument. I don't think it is a "bait & switch" as you describe. YMMV

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Post subject: Re: What guns were really used at Sandy Hook?
Post Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:17 pm
Two books that have shaped in part the conspiracy are Philip Dru: Administrator by Edward Mandell House (the commie that had Woodrow Wilson eating out of his hand), and
Shadows of Power by James Perloff. Well documented regarding the American money behind funding communist and socialist regimes for monetary and political gain throughout the 20th century.

There is a fabulous quote from a 1930's or 1940's Democrat member of Congress that I can't find right now, stating directly that the U.S. funded Hitler's rise to power.
Geese Viking, you and your documentation! Can't a guy just parrott Alex Jones, not think for himself, and DEMAND everyone else do the same? You think too much for your own good.

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Post subject: Re: What guns were really used at Sandy Hook?
Post Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:39 pm
As to the UN being ineffective...
With the Communist in Chief only a few votes away in the Senate from surrendering U.S. Firearm rights...
The U.S. involvement in Korea was in large part due the the U.N.
Most of the major world powers are joined in this One World Govt organization
Some of the "Peacekeeping" missions have U.S soldiers wearing blue helmets and under jurisdiction of UN..
One reason for WW1 (yes it was pre-planned) was to create the League of Nations (One World Govt). The U.S. didn't want in. The group that pushed for U.S. involvement was later found to be largely comprised of sworn communists...we eventually joined anyway.

No I'm not citing sources. In recent years their has been the failed SPP, the NAU, etc, all trying to join Canada, U.S., and Mexico. Bush and Clinton have signed documents and attendend publicized meetings to make this happen. Once the right "crisis" occurs, be ready. It'll get ugly.
The only saving grace is that Jesus wins.

Other books that have shaped my views: Inside the United Nations Steve Bonta

Changing Commands John Mcmanus

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Post subject: Re: What guns were really used at Sandy Hook?
Post Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:18 pm
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Geese Viking, you and your documentation! Can't a guy just parrott Alex Jones, not think for himself, and DEMAND everyone else do the same? You think too much for your own good.



:lol: Cityboy man, you are too funny ... I am enjoying this dialectic!

My wife also accuses me of thinking too much for my own good. I can't help it it's addictive. :wink:

I another life, I'm going to be a proffessor or a lawyer.

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~John Adams, Letter to Abigail Adams, May 12, 1780 wrote:
I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children the right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:00 pm
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Only one conclusion is obvious from this evidence...Bush is secretly the Batman!!
DUN, DUN, DUUUUUUUUN!!!!!!

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