BTW, if you can get FATS training, or something similar to that, it's even better. Downside is that it can scare the crap out of you. Buddy of mine almost resigned from his PD after a run through one of those. I think if he'd not already been in a nasty shootout, he would have....
Has anyone here been through the Gander Mountain Academy
There's a problem, though, in "public perception". Just our response here shows that. People don't want to be reminded that the cute little munchkin next door has a 1911 in her "Hello Kitty" purse....
There's an unpleasant truth here - some things will upset people. Can't be upsetting the Zero supporters, either.... Like that gal who was doing an anti-hunting protest: "Why don't you just get your meat at the supermarket. Nothing gets hurt here."
And I'm glad to read in today's issue of Stephen Wenger's DUF Digest the following:
Stephen P Wenger via DUF Digest wrote:
A Personal Comment: One of the latest horror stories making its way around the internet is that DHS has purchased full-color photographic training targets depicting citizens, including at least one of a pregnant woman. Folks, for the whole time that I offered live training in Arizona, I used many of those same targets – purchased from Law Enforcement Targets. In fact, the only time that my students fired on a black-and-white photographic target was for the “qualification” in my Arizona CWP course and that was because LET does not offer acceptable scoring rings on a color target. Those of you who have read through my website or my book know that I rank the mental preparedness to use deadly force – when called for – second only to mental (situational) awareness. Yes, such targets are used for desensitization! A gunfight is not an IPSC or IDPA match and I've yet to see anyone walking around dressed to look like a buff-color cardboard silhouette. I have several dozen leftover LET targets, in several versions, in my garage. There are even a handful of a different one of a pregnant woman. Are you prepared to leave the scene in a body bag because the person trying to kill you is pregnant? Living where I do, I've seen several pregnant tweekers (methamphetamine users) and I have no doubt that they'd shoot you or slit your throat when they get desperate enough for their next dose. While I never got around to using the target with the pregnant woman, I purchased some in the event that I could offer scenario training. Inasmuch as I taught the first shot to the pelvis – if available – at common handgun distances, had I used the pregnant-woman target, it would have been to test the student's ability to shift to a different aiming point. What about a child? I've shared more than one report of children who have stolen firearms with the intent to kill others. If I were a firearms instructor on the US Border Patrol, I'd probably get myself into hot water trying to purchase targets depicting Mexican military personnel. While it seems to be verboten to shoot at them – even when they present a threat on US soil – I'd want to train my troops to risk an “international incident” rather than becoming the next Brian Terry. I'm much more worried about cadets at West Point being taught to view conservative activists as terrorists than I am about some DHS personnel training on realistic targets.
There are very valid, alternative, ways to read this that's far from the sensationalized take of either the craziest of the Tinfoil Hat crowd or that of the liberal media.
I'm more concerned about DHS buying all that ammunition. Is it a back door way to disarm us (kill ammunition availability), or is Zero trying to turn DHS into the SS?
I still don't quite buy it....
I made this post in another thread regarding the current ammo craze:
Let's take into account just this one scenario: that of a bigger/more rigorous three-day training class. Average round-count for students attending Chris Costa's Costa Ludus 3-day handgun classes last summer was right around 2000 rounds per person. With an average class size of 25 shooters, that's 50,000 rounds, right there. His carbine classes tends to burn through a little more ammo, but given that his pistol classes burns through a little less, we'll just say that's average, per class session.
Discounting his "Night Operations" low-light classes, the "7.62 Heavy" classes and the "Shotgun Employment" classes - there's still 34 classes on his 2013 roster, and that comes out to 1,700,000 rounds.
He's just one such operation. There are many, many more spread all across the US.
And this is not counting, of course, any training sessions that these top-tier trainers all host for our police and military personnel.
"The Government" requesting 750 million rounds? I'm glad someone is actually forcing those who are professionally armed to at least somewhat train: case-in-point? NYPD and their rather abysmal marksmanship performances in the publicized incidents last year.
On the civilian side, there are also competition shooters to factor in as well. I don't compete, but I'm a decently serious hobbyist. Two years ago, my first year shooting, I put around 40K rounds of 9mm downrange. I agree, that's excessive, but this year, I was looking at about 20K of 9mm, but towards the last part of the shooting season, various unforeseen problems arose, leading to a loss of nearly 30 hours of training - and me shorting the 20K count by approximately 5K: I don't consider this round-count to be that out-of-the-ordinary.
My main training pistol has over 30K rounds through her. My secondary training pistol is approaching 10K. I've been shooting since late November, 2010.
OK, that's one "big name" training class - but I can easily name another half-dozen just right of the top of my head, and truth be told, I probably don't really need too much time to think of ten...and that would make for close to 2 million rounds spent, no?
I realize that does sound somewhat extreme. But let's look at local-level courses.
One of the two more popular schools that's physically close to me here in NE-Ohio typically hosts a half-dozen single-day "run-your-gun" type of manipulations classes per year. The intro-level course probably goes through about 500 rounds for the day (~8 hours worth of range-time). This instructor usually has at least one intermediate-tier course per year that will go through upwards of 800 rounds. Let's just push down the average, and say that it's 500 per session. At an average of about 6 to 8 students per class, I think it's decently safe to say that per year, just from this operation alone, you're looking at about 20K rounds from this operation alone. The other school sees higher attendance, and again, in the typically half-dozen single-day classes they offer per year (again, with two tiers of shooters, again averaging 500 rounds per shooter per class), if we do the math (they'll typically have 8 to 12 shooters per class, so let's call it 10?), that's 30K rounds. They also offer year-round 2-hour novice-level classes as well as a few intermediate-level classes sprinkled in - with at least
10 students per class, averaging let's say a very conservative 100 rounds per student per session, at a very conservative estimate of 30 such classes per year, that's easily another 30K rounds. That's a minimum of 80K rounds from just TWO local-level
And these are all regular-Joe civilian, "Open Enrollment" classes. Even the few armed professionals who do attend are doing it from their own dime.