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Author:  joebialek [ Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  ELECTORAL COLLEGE

The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

Author:  Brian D. [ Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

Welcome. Hope you stick around and talk about some gun and Ohio-specific stuff with us here.

Author:  color of law [ Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

joebialek wrote:
The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.
There are a bunch of guns in there quote.....

Author:  SMMAssociates [ Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

joebialek:

Welcome Aboard!

There's sticky at http://forums.buckeyefirearms.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10097 that you should have a look at, although it's not mandatory, and may be sleep inducing. Don't go past about the third page, though, unless you have a masochistic streak :D....

Regards,

Author:  Buckeyzfan1 [ Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

joebialek wrote:
The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

I take it you believe this would be fair to states with less population? This is exactly what the framers had with great foresight sought to prevent. That is, states with great population centers, thus with greater populations would control the executive branch seat (POTUS). With the executive branch seat controlled, this would control the appointments to the supreme court (SCOTUS). If your plan were in place it would in no way be a fair way to represent the U.S. unless you lived in CA, NY, FL, PA, OH, IL. The method prescribed by our founders is exactly what this nation needed then and needs today. Yes, I did the math and the liberal progressive and illegal alien states win every time.

Author:  SMMAssociates [ Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

Buckeyzfan1:

Welcome aboard!

Please have a look at the post just prior to your last (in this thread) for the "boilerplate"....

It always seems to me that the losers demand a change in the Electoral College system after each election.

I don't think that the "Founding Fathers" imagined that we'd have a country this size, with such a diverse population, but mostly, IMHO that the standards for voters would change the way they did, and/or the method for assigning Electoral Votes would turn out the way it has.

Voting rights have gone from "practically nobody" to "practically everybody". IMHO, the major problem there is to allow people who don't pay taxes the ability to vote on the taxes, or to be otherwise uninformed about the issues being voted on. In the last Obama election, I opined that there were folks out there who would vote for Adolph Hitler if Oprah suggested it. Maybe they ran out of Obamaphones, but that didn't seem to happen this time.

Finally, the system seems to count "warm bodies", not potential voters. A great reason to push along the immigrants (some of whom may never acquire citizenship, or manage to vote) - to get more electoral votes.

Then, however, we have to consider who votes, and how that is decided. Having fun yet?

Better minds than mine have, for whatever reasons, been working on this forever. Someday....

Meantime, enjoy!

Regards,

Author:  VICE [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

joebialek wrote:
The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

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If we're going to do things by popular vote lets start with a vote to eliminate the IRS, bATF, EPA, ( Will Add More Here Later ). I think eliminating these would be VERY Popular!

Author:  AlanM [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

That points system is just a scheme to con the math challenged into agreeing to kill the electoral college. There would be NO difference between the two.

Author:  willbird [ Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

IMHO electoral votes are a very important part of states rights. The founders and many after have put all kinds of checks and balances in place in govt, and the Electoral College is an importand one.

Going to any system that gives automatic credit to minority voters in big states would drastically change how a campaign is run. Some candidates might never visit less populated states.

Bill

Author:  zeko [ Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE

There is currently an attempt by some states to nullify the electoral college by passing state laws giving their electoral votes to whomever wins the popular vote.

What is intriguing about this is that the states that are trying this are mostly (if not completely) blue states . . . can you imagine the howls and screams if, for example, Massachusetts voters found that their electoral votes were to be given to a conservative candidate who won the popular vote?

zeko

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