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 Post subject: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT)
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:12 am 
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Currently, we have the august United Nations debating the soverignty of our Constitution/Bill of Rights through the proposed Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) which, if passed (and rattified) will effectively require every law abiding American gun owner to report via the US Federal government as proxy to the UN their lawful and legal gun ownership which can lead to confiscation at the whim of Washington.
On June 29, 2012 a letter was sent to President Obama and Hillary Clinton signed by 150 Representatives vowing to block every attempt to move this UN Treaty resolution forward and if it were to so pass, to never bring it to the floor for a 2/3 vote for rattification. Please go to the attached link and read the letter. At the bottom see if your State Representatives is a signatory, if they are please thank them but if they are not, demand to know why they didn't. THIS IS IMPORTANT, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE WATCHGUARD OF OUR FREEDOMS!
Since Obama and his band of thieves would never be able to get gun control of this magnitude through the legal channels afforded under OUR Constitution, he and his ilk decided to backdoor every American citizen through this sleazy, Chicago-style measure.

Here's the letter:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99148707/Lett ... ade-Treaty

Here is the list of Ohio Representatives WHO DID SIGN THE LETTER :egrin:
Steve Austria OH 7
Bob Gibbs OH 18
Bill Johnson OH 6
Jim Jordan OH 4
Steve LaTourette OH 14
Steve Stivers OH 15
Patrick Tiberi OH 12

Here is THE list of Ohio Representatives WHO DID NOT SIGN THE LETTER. :oops:
John Boehner OH 8 - Speaker of the House!
Steve Chabot OH 1
Jean Schmidt OH 2
Michael Turner OH 3
Robert Latta OH 5
Marcy Kaptur OH 9
Dennis Kucinich OH 10
Marcia Fudge OH11
Betty Sutton OH 13
Jim Renacci OH 16
Timothy Ryan OH 17


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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:52 pm 
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awol58 wrote:
Here is THE list of Ohio Representatives WHO DID NOT SIGN THE LETTER. :oops:

Perhaps they realized that the House isn't involved in any part of the treaty process?

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:30 am 
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The House appropriates the funding for compliance with a treaty, not the senate. So, while the senate can agree on a particular treaty, without funding, compliance would be very difficult, especially given the amount of money that ATT will cost the American taxpayers. Like everything Hillary WE-ARE-THE-PRESIDENT Clinton does, she thumbs her nose at the American people and only cares about her own agenda.

Remember when she and Janet Reno said that they wanted to disarm the American people. Reno admitted it on 60 Minutes in an interview.

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:55 am 
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signed by 150 Representatives vowing to block every attempt to move this UN Treaty resolution forward and if it were to so pass, to never bring it to the floor for a 2/3 vote for rattification.


Just to be clear, it is the Senate which ratifies treaties, NOT the House of Representatives. The proposed treaty will never be brought to the House floor.

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
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And the treaty cannot trump the Constitution.


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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
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signed by 150 Representatives vowing to block every attempt to move this UN Treaty resolution forward and if it were to so pass, to never bring it to the floor for a 2/3 vote for rattification.


Just to be clear, it is the Senate which ratifies treaties, NOT the House of Representatives. The proposed treaty will never be brought to the House floor.


Approval of funding lies in the House; however, and in this case, the signers of the letter are saying that they will not agree to fund the compliance to such a treaty. It will be interesting to see what happens next and what the reaction of the executive branch will be regarding the petition.

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
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color of law wrote:
And the treaty cannot trump the Constitution.


The problem with a treaty that is in conflict with the constitution is that it circumnavigates the law of the land. The only way to change the constitution is to hold a constitutional convention successfully passing an amendment by two-thirds majority. By making an end-run around constitutional law, the senate can CHEAT there way into forcing compliance to U.N. policy with the presumption that either you live up to a treaty or you break it-- which is considered a breach of international law.

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
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Ken45 wrote:
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signed by 150 Representatives vowing to block every attempt to move this UN Treaty resolution forward and if it were to so pass, to never bring it to the floor for a 2/3 vote for rattification.


Just to be clear, it is the Senate which ratifies treaties, NOT the House of Representatives. The proposed treaty will never be brought to the House floor.


Approval of funding lies in the House; however, and in this case, the signers of the letter are saying that they will not agree to fund the compliance to such a treaty. It will be interesting to see what happens next and what the reaction of the executive branch will be regarding the petition.


The "2/3rds" vote is not for funding, it's the Senate vote to ratify the treaty.

As for House funding, that won't happen during this session of the House and never for some of the incumbents.

IMO, it's all posturing. That's okay, but let's recognize it for what it is.

Ken

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
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Ken45 wrote:
pippin wrote:
Ken45 wrote:
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signed by 150 Representatives vowing to block every attempt to move this UN Treaty resolution forward and if it were to so pass, to never bring it to the floor for a 2/3 vote for rattification.


Just to be clear, it is the Senate which ratifies treaties, NOT the House of Representatives. The proposed treaty will never be brought to the House floor.


Approval of funding lies in the House; however, and in this case, the signers of the letter are saying that they will not agree to fund the compliance to such a treaty. It will be interesting to see what happens next and what the reaction of the executive branch will be regarding the petition.


The "2/3rds" vote is not for funding, it's the Senate vote to ratify the treaty.

As for House funding, that won't happen during this session of the House and never for some of the incumbents.

IMO, it's all posturing. That's okay, but let's recognize it for what it is.

Ken


I understand that the two-thirds majority is the senate vote, not the house funding... sorry if my post was confusing. I am addressing ratification and also funding... two separate points.

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
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pippin wrote:
color of law wrote:
And the treaty cannot trump the Constitution.


The problem with a treaty that is in conflict with the constitution is that it circumnavigates the law of the land. The only way to change the constitution is to hold a constitutional convention successfully passing an amendment by two-thirds majority. By making an end-run around constitutional law, the senate can CHEAT there way into forcing compliance to U.N. policy with the presumption that either you live up to a treaty or you break it-- which is considered a breach of international law.

And we breach international law every day. If we didn't what would be the purpose of the CIA?????


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color of law wrote:
And we breach international law every day. If we didn't what would be the purpose of the CIA?????

Pharmaceutical research?

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jabeatty wrote:
color of law wrote:
And we breach international law every day. If we didn't what would be the purpose of the CIA?????

Pharmaceutical research?

I forgot, the CIA is the enforcement arm of the FDA.....


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color of law wrote:
jabeatty wrote:
color of law wrote:
And we breach international law every day. If we didn't what would be the purpose of the CIA?????

Pharmaceutical research?

I forgot, the CIA is the enforcement arm of the FDA.....

It did have some unexpected consequences while doing research on LSD during the 60's and 70's.

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 Post subject: Re: Congress Letter to Obama RE: U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT
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color of law wrote:
And we breach international law every day. If we didn't what would be the purpose of the CIA?????


Just to add, Didn't we breach it when we went after Bin Laden? Afghanistan is a member of the UN as well however the US has no extradition treaty with them. Our mission was to capture, AKA extradite, Bin Laden. We just did it the illegal way.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Just as a side note here folks - Make sure everyone of you take time out and write your senator(s) we have 2 here in Ohio;
Senator Sherrod Brown
http://www.brown.senate.gov/
Senator Rob Portman
http://portman.senate.gov/public/

Express to them what all of you are saying here on this forum. These are the guys that will put this thing into motion or send it packing!

Just my 2 cents

Alan


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