Ohio CHL's come up when running driver's license. So when someone is arrested for a disqualifying offense anywhere in the United States, the arresting agency knows the person has an Ohio CHL. You don't think that the arresting agency will immediately notify the CHL issuing Sheriff about the disqualifying offense?
That's true forOHIO only. If you are in Ohio and they run your license plate, the Ohio officer also gets your driver's license status. If you are in Kentucky, it takes the office there TWO SEPARATE queries to get both of those pieces of info. If they want your CHL status, it's a third query. If they want any warrants you have in Ohio that are not extraditable outside of Ohio, that's another query.
There are separate queries for each state to pull different info. It just so happens that the programmers of LEADS in Ohio and the MDCs we use here run all those queries at once for Ohio info only. If I want someone's Florida CHL status, I have to separately run that through Florida. The ONLY outside state we can get a CHL from just running a driver's license is Tennessee. They tie your CHL DIRECTLY to your driver's license in the BMV database so it comes back driving status and CHL status.
And media and political backlash? really? Can it get any worse than the fact that they sell firearms? Would such a backlash cause people not to buy firearms from them? Those people don't buy firearms anyhow. You and I do. Such a backlash would encourage me to go there and spend money.
That's assuming the backlash doesn't put them out of business from the financial burden of the lawsuit. The store that sold the firearms in the Aurora movie shooting is well over $250,000 in legal fees on a case they won. Now the plaintiffs are appealing so that could easily double. And insurance may or may not cover it. Some small stores may take the easier way out and close up shop.
Brian D. wrote:
Jedi I'm not picking on you here--you know me better than that--but above, you stated the practice of 87 counties in Ohio. We have 88 counties, are you saying there's one that acts differently with regards to CHL seizure?
I recently read on Facebook that one county says they run all their CHL holders monthly through BCI/III. If they see something pop up, they notify the person and suspend the license.
Well, I've been teaching criminal justice for about 12 years and worked in the field before that. I know a lot of people in the field, and I cannot think of any circumstance, other than a once off fluke, where an arresting agency or booking sheriff would not notify a CHL issuing sheriff when someone is arrested for a disqualifying offense. On the other hand, we know that NICS wrongfully denies transfers because of the successful appeal statistics.
Not sure where you worked before but Ohio has admitted they have had a problem since the 80s. That's one reason why they currently aren't fixing it. They have no idea how to fix the old and the ORC doesn't really provide them with the sanctions for errors now. Here's an example of how it is messed up....
So you are pulled over for a DUI tonight. You refuse, that means you get an automatic license suspension (ALS.) Those are still mailed to Columbus and take about 7-10 days to process. Until then, you can just drive around and no police officer knows you were suspended or even got a DUI. Now, let's say you have a loaded 9mm in the glovebox. That's an additional charge, an F4. You should be fingerprinted for that so it gets into BCI which can lead to current NICS denial. Guess what....the fingerprint machine is down so they simply process you through and release you from the station because you were cooperative. How does anyone know that F4 exists? They don't and that has been Ohio's problem for decades. The ORC only mandates certain crimes be fingerprinted. And generally those crimes are ones where no matter what, you are going to jail for the night.
That problem happens all the time. We had a guy two months ago tell us he just got convicted for an OVI when we stopped him for OVI. 4 days had been between the two yet besides doing a manual Internet search through another Ohio's county Clerk of Courts. We never knew about it. He simply opened his mouth and that increased his penalty for refusing to blow.
I don’t understand why BFA and OFCC are just sitting back and taking it this time around. They should address this new push-back the same way as before with education efforts and boycotts.
You really think BFA and OFCC want to do boycotts against local businesses? Some of them are the financial support they rely on. We prefer not to piss off our allies when they have the choice that they want to make.
Seems to me that the problem is that an instant check at each purchase v.s. the merchant just accepting a CHL is based on the idea that an instant check is more likely to be valid now, whereas the CHL could have been pulled and nobody noticed.
Given the folks at NICS don't get it right all that often anyway, it seems like the chances are about even. The difference being that the merchant who refuses the CHL is doing a CYA, just in case.
Correct. One is more updated. When your CHL is suspended, there's also no repercussion for failing to turn it in. Simply say you lost it to the Sheriff when they request it and use it to buy a gun later on.
And correct on NICS as well. But the problem there is it's all based on name searches. Don't even get me started on how flawed that is.