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Libertarian Islands

Post by KnightOfTheOldeCode » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:29 pm

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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by Joe Sixpack » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:06 pm

Holy cow.. I thought about something similar, Ever hear about that guy who made a floating island out of netting and empty plastic bottles? I believe it was down off brazil.

Anyway It would be awesome to have your own floating country.. It would need to be massive though like at least 30 square miles I would think, It'll have to have a airport of some sort.. no one's gonna wanna come and go from this place by boat.. to slow.. unless they stay just close enough to some other countries mainland.

the cost to build the thing will be so high
The problem is only rich people and those willing to be (practically) slaves will live there.
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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by Echo3November » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:37 pm

Hmm wasn't there some people that has an idea like this awhile back say circa 1700s. I don't remember were I read about this but I think they found some land and took it from the natives then devided it up and declared the diferrent sections soviegrn. I think they decided they needed some paperwork agreement for business between them but they were all pretty much on thier own.

So if i moved to one of these "eutopian islands' and decided that i didn't like it would i have to biuld my own boat to get off.

"Hey guys I got a great idea lets get all those fricken gun nuts together give them an island and let them shoot the crap out of eachother you know like how england sent all their "criminals" to Australia!"

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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by Buckeye Dan » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:33 am

Echo3November wrote:Hmm wasn't there some people that has an idea like this awhile back say circa 1700s. I don't remember were I read about this but I think they found some land and took it from the natives then devided it up and declared the diferrent sections soviegrn. I think they decided they needed some paperwork agreement for business between them but they were all pretty much on thier own.

So if i moved to one of these "eutopian islands' and decided that i didn't like it would i have to biuld my own boat to get off.

"Hey guys I got a great idea lets get all those fricken gun nuts together give them an island and let them shoot the crap out of eachother you know like how england sent all their "criminals" to Australia!"
I get together with lots of gun nuts all the time. I sometimes attend gatherings with hundreds of gun nuts. Not one human has ever been shot or shot at with a firearm.

I think it's safe to say that little sovereign island will be about the most civil and crime free place on earth. I think libertarians are pro drug though. That could make things interesting.
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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by Joe Sixpack » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:26 am

Buckeye Dan wrote: I think libertarians are pro drug though.
Iit's almost like anarchy except they still believe in some limited government, are against violence and thievery.
It's basically like this "anything that doesn't involve a unwilling victim" is ok
Gay marriage, Prostitution for example will be legal.

Government regulation would be almost non existent.. although Im not sure what their stance would be on environmental controls.


But there are different types/levels of libertarianism just like with anything else, So to what extremes this libertarian island would be who knows, But gun wise you would expect to be able to own anything they want.

Libertarian would best describe my views, Not really as some of it's to far left for my taste but I fit in that category better then democrat or republican.. Instead I just call my self a independent but usually vote republican.
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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by willbird » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:15 pm

Joe Sixpack wrote:
Buckeye Dan wrote: I think libertarians are pro drug though.
Iit's almost like anarchy except they still believe in some limited government, are against violence and thievery.
It's basically like this "anything that doesn't involve a unwilling victim" is ok
Gay marriage, Prostitution for example will be legal.

Government regulation would be almost non existent.. although Im not sure what their stance would be on environmental controls.


But there are different types/levels of libertarianism just like with anything else, So to what extremes this libertarian island would be who knows, But gun wise you would expect to be able to own anything they want.

Libertarian would best describe my views, Not really as some of it's to far left for my taste but I fit in that category better then democrat or republican.. Instead I just call my self a independent but usually vote republican.
I kind of wonder how they would enforce the lack of rules or rulers ?


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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by Joe Sixpack » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:50 pm

they would still likely have a government and even a police.

that's the difference between anarchy and libertarianism.
Libertarians still have SOME rule of law, particularly against violence or robbery.. they still believe in private property and personal possessions.

Government powers would be mute, Likely there would be no such thing as eminent domain, there would be no neighbor hood rules that tell you can only paint your house certain colors, or use certain types of materials, or have to have certain kinda grass.. or that you couldn't have a junk car in your yard.

There just wouldn't be a lot of social laws either.

nudity and profanity on broad cast tv/radio would not be an issue for example.
Just like the whole gay marriage debate in the states would a non issue, along with prostitution, drug use, Those are social issues, firearm ownership.. there likely would be no such thing as "common sense gun laws"..

Some would call it a lack of morality, But it's really just the ultimate expression of PERSONAL freedom, You still can't ya know.. go cut someones throat open.. there would still be basic framework of laws and enforcement.

One thing I would not like however is there very likely would be no real concept of citizenship.. at least none thats enforced.. you either live there or your don't.. If the US was Libertarian it wouldn't screen people coming into the country, wouldn't require passports, the boarders would be unguarded and open.. actually it might not be to different then it is today :P

It really depends on how far they go with it, On the far far extreme of libertarianism it turns into anarchy, total lack of laws, rape, robbery and murder are ok. (everything is acceptable).. Libertarian is before you get to that point but it varies just like there is no 1 size fit's all democrat of republican.

It might sound like it's all good but there would be some problems with it.. depending on how far they take it.
Example there would be a few if any workers rights, discrimination would most likely be tolerated.
There would be few if any government ran social programs even for the dying.

Most people would consider someone dying on the street to be deserving of help.. In America you walk into a hospital bleeding to death they have to treat you, wouldn't necessarily be true on this "island"

I don't know if the whole "island" idea will work or not.. it would be very expensive and that means likely only the rich will live there.. Honestly what I suspect would happen is it would become a billionaires paradise while still running and controlling empires in the rest of the world.

if they decide to actually produce and trade goods like any other nation the workers will likely be paid very little due to the cost of living there, I can envision room/board and an allowance kinda thing.

Some might decide that's enough given there will be so few laws.. but We'll see.. Im skeptical it will ever be built.. and who knows maybe it'll rip it self apart.. should be a fun experiment if they ever build it.
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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by johnwilliamson062 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:00 pm

This Island won't have to be big and it won't need super rich or slaves. My guess is that if it takes off at all there will be planty of places registering their HQ there, plenty of banks, "shady" websites setting up office, etc.
I can't support BFA because BFA chooses not support free elections.

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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by johnwilliamson062 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:04 pm

Someone built one of these off Africa in the 70s about out of a few conneted ships and other platforms. It started to take off financially and the nearest nation invaded and took it over(often rumored under influence of larger more powerful nations).
I can't support BFA because BFA chooses not support free elections.

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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by OhioGrown422 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:18 pm

Hey joe six pack, I don't know what kind of libertarians you've read about but you're way off with the no boarders and no screening people coming in. the main difference would be illegals wouldn't get education, healthcare ect.. Don't give us libertarians a bad name.

It seems like you've adopted the mainstream medias view on libertarianism. People don't get left out on the street to die. Churches and very well off people help them to suit their image.


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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by johnwilliamson062 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:37 pm

That isn't the difference at all between Anarchy and Libertarianism.

Anarchy fits best under what you think of as direct democracy. No one has a position, no one is a LEO, no one is a judge, etc. All the same, the community as a whole can make and enforce rules, it is just that no individual is given the power to enforce or interpret them. There is no hierarchy, the community is flat. Almost like Social communism instead of economic communism.

Libertarians believe in government being involved in cases that involve force or fraud. No force and no fraud, then no government intervention. If people want to use their free will to mess up their lives let them, as long as they don't interfere with others lives through force or fraud. God can sort it out when the pieces go back in the box. Most Republicans seem to be "devout Christians" who lack confidence in Gods ability to do so.
I can't support BFA because BFA chooses not support free elections.

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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by OhioGrown422 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:26 pm

The funny thing about republicans being christians is christ was a long hair hippie democrat. Actually he was more like a socialist. He wanted to share everything with everyone. The new testament was all about helping everyone less fortunate then you. The irony is most democrats are agnostic or athiest and most republicans claim to be christian but do the exact opposite of what a true follower of what christ would do. I find it very amusing.

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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by willbird » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:35 pm

Joe Sixpack wrote:
Buckeye Dan wrote: I think libertarians are pro drug though.
Iit's almost like anarchy except they still believe in some limited government, are against violence and thievery.
It's basically like this "anything that doesn't involve a unwilling victim" is ok
Gay marriage, Prostitution for example will be legal.

Government regulation would be almost non existent.. although Im not sure what their stance would be on environmental controls.


But there are different types/levels of libertarianism just like with anything else, So to what extremes this libertarian island would be who knows, But gun wise you would expect to be able to own anything they want.

Libertarian would best describe my views, Not really as some of it's to far left for my taste but I fit in that category better then democrat or republican.. Instead I just call my self a independent but usually vote republican.
But I'm guessing there will have to be some kind of "liberty police" to STOP you from stopping the neighbor from roasting babies.
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Re: Libertarian Islands

Post by johnwilliamson062 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:03 am

"Liberty police" in Anarchy or Libertarianism as defined by the Libertarian Party. As defined by the Libertarian Party there are police and courts, they just don't interfere in many situations our police currently get involved with. Seat belts for instance.
I can't support BFA because BFA chooses not support free elections.

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