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Post subject: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:43 am
I did a search and found nothing. I live in Toledo and I was going to purchase a 100 rd surefire Mag on gun broker and was told the vendor wouldn't ship to Toledo. Anyone heard of this? Any citations of law or a definitive answer for me,

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:42 am
Ohio does not have a magazine capacity law. There used to be an odd law that said that magazines capable of holding 31+ rounds turned a firearm into an automatic firearm when inserted, but that was removed with the law that went into effect on March 23 of this year.

Now, that is at the state level. I do not know if Toledo has a magazine capacity law on the books but if they do, as I understand it, that would be in violation of Ohio law under ORC 9.68. Not that it will fix your problem as trying to explain that to the vendor isn't likely to do much.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:33 pm
Unfortunately some of the vendors go by (badly outdated) information provided to them by the BATFE, and will not listen to anyone else no matter how much evidence they provide. Sometimes companies let their hired shysters make too many decisions.

And I can't imagine there's any rock I could try to push up a mountain with my nose that would make for a harder task than coaxing the BATFE to updtae their list of state/local laws.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:48 pm
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GunBroker.com is the world's largest online auction site for firearms and hunting/shooting accessories. Launched in 1999, GunBroker.com is an informative, secure and safe way to buy and sell firearms, ammunition and hunting/shooting gear online. GunBroker.com promotes responsible ownership of guns and firearms. Aside from merchandise bearing its logo, GunBroker.com sells none of the items listed on its website. Third-party sellers list items on the site and Federal and state laws govern the sale of firearms and other restricted items. Ownership policies and regulations are followed using licensed firearms dealers as transfer agents.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/Suppor ... faqid=1254

Apparently Gunbroker.com does not comply with their own published policy. Ohio is not a federal territory and Ohio Revised Code 9.68 forbids any local law to regulate magazine capacity. Further, Gunbroker.com states above that they do NOT sell anything. So, did the vendor tell you they wouldn't ship to Toledo or did Gunbroker.com tell you that?

If Gunbroker told you that, then I would contact the vendor. If the vendor said that I would report them to Gunbroker informing Gunbroker that the vendor is not complying with the above policy.
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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:47 am
color of law wrote:
If Gunbroker told you that, then I would contact the vendor. If the vendor said that I would report them to Gunbroker informing Gunbroker that the vendor is not complying with the above policy.


Yes CoL he could certainly do all that, and hope that somebody gives enough of a darn to start doing things correctly. Maybe it would be fixed in a day, three weeks, six months, or not.

in the meantime 1stMarDiv could just use a flanking maneuver instead of a frontal assault and buy the darn magazine locally, no doubt at an increased cost.

ORC 9.68 has been in place a LONG time now and some of these vendors have been shown that law several times, yet they still won't lift their sales prohibition. Maybe the e-tail guys who do that should start paying the price in terms of revenue lost, by us consumers shopping locally in person.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:06 am
Brian D. wrote:
color of law wrote:
If Gunbroker told you that, then I would contact the vendor. If the vendor said that I would report them to Gunbroker informing Gunbroker that the vendor is not complying with the above policy.


Yes CoL he could certainly do all that, and hope that somebody gives enough of a darn to start doing things correctly. Maybe it would be fixed in a day, three weeks, six months, or not.

in the meantime 1stMarDiv could just use a flanking maneuver instead of a frontal assault and buy the darn magazine locally, no doubt at an increased cost.

ORC 9.68 has been in place a LONG time now and some of these vendors have been shown that law several times, yet they still won't lift their sales prohibition. Maybe the e-tail guys who do that should start paying the price in terms of revenue lost, by us consumers shopping locally in person.

I don't disagree with your assessment. But, I would like to know if Gunbroker is spreading this lie.
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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:59 am
Oh yeah I'd like to know, too.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:13 pm
color of law wrote:
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(last updated on 5/7/2015)

GunBroker.com is the world's largest online auction site for firearms and hunting/shooting accessories. Launched in 1999, GunBroker.com is an informative, secure and safe way to buy and sell firearms, ammunition and hunting/shooting gear online. GunBroker.com promotes responsible ownership of guns and firearms. Aside from merchandise bearing its logo, GunBroker.com sells none of the items listed on its website. Third-party sellers list items on the site and Federal and state laws govern the sale of firearms and other restricted items. Ownership policies and regulations are followed using licensed firearms dealers as transfer agents.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/Suppor ... faqid=1254

Apparently Gunbroker.com does not comply with their own published policy. Ohio is not a federal territory and Ohio Revised Code 9.68 forbids any local law to regulate magazine capacity. Further, Gunbroker.com states above that they do NOT sell anything. So, did the vendor tell you they wouldn't ship to Toledo or did Gunbroker.com tell you that?

If Gunbroker told you that, then I would contact the vendor. If the vendor said that I would report them to Gunbroker informing Gunbroker that the vendor is not complying with the above policy.


I contacted the vendor and he emailed me back that if they were legal in my locality he would ship them to me. I laid out my case from the information from this post and a call to the Toledo police. HOWEVER, the vendor lost the sale to another without such restrictions. But I made my point.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:21 pm
Brian D. wrote:
Oh yeah I'd like to know, too.


You know I'm not sure here is his disclaimer, I have a feeling he copied and pasted this from somewhere don't ya think?? And I'll put $5 on the fact that the same list of places with restrictions would stack up to the same list of Places I will never, would never and won't be living in for the duration of my life. Minus Toledo but that shouldn't be on the list anyhow :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:49 am
Like we said that's based on old, old information provided to them by BATFE publications. If the company's lawyers tell them to follow only the Fed guidelines and ignore all others, that's what they'll do. Just because one pays a lawyer LOTS of money for advice, doesn't always mean it's the best way to go. You and I as thinking individuals understand that. A CEO with lots of stuff on his mind often forgets and just blindly follows the shyster's direction.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:26 pm
Brian D. wrote:
Like we said that's based on old, old information provided to them by BATFE publications. If the company's lawyers tell them to follow only the Fed guidelines and ignore all others, that's what they'll do. Just because one pays a lawyer LOTS of money for advice, doesn't always mean it's the best way to go. You and I as thinking individuals understand that. A CEO with lots of stuff on his mind often forgets and just blindly follows the shyster's direction.


And at the same time if one is arrested for a criminal matter, don't we usually tell them to follow their lawyer's advice and not always the advice of people on the Internet? I truly see both sides to this.
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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:50 am
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Brian D. wrote:
Like we said that's based on old, old information provided to them by BATFE publications. If the company's lawyers tell them to follow only the Fed guidelines and ignore all others, that's what they'll do. Just because one pays a lawyer LOTS of money for advice, doesn't always mean it's the best way to go. You and I as thinking individuals understand that. A CEO with lots of stuff on his mind often forgets and just blindly follows the shyster's direction.


And at the same time if one is arrested for a criminal matter, don't we usually tell them to follow their lawyer's advice and not always the advice of people on the Internet? I truly see both sides to this.


Pretty much this.

Remember Cope's getting hammered by San Francisco? You can see why retailers say "nope". It's cheaper to avoid the issue entirely.

It also doesn't help that a majority of my fellow attorneys know little about guns or the laws governing guns.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:43 pm
I hope 1st Marine got his magazines by now...BATF ain't budged yet.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:08 pm
If the seller won't ship to you in Toledo, do you know anyone outside of city limits who can have it shipped to their house?

If you really want one this second, it's the fastest option for now.

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Post subject: Re: Ohio Magazine Capacity Law
Post Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:02 pm
Well, mean_sartin, this thread is six-seven months old, so "right now" is sort of down the drain.

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Some ignorant person may become alarmed, and we can't have that.''

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