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Post subject: Started Casting
Post Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:37 pm
I had just started casting bullets for all my firearms and am loving cast bullets!

It isn't as hard as I thought it would be at first, rifles were a bit tricky but pistols were simple. The cost of reloading now, is almost cut in half!

I had taken a shot with my M1917 today with the Lyman 210gr RN bullet.


I still need to do some testing with the 30-06s, but my AK and 30-30 have loads that work wonderfully!

Just thought I'd post about it, I'm stoked about shooting my own bullets.
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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:45 am
howdy win94
wow is that right 2423 fps ? ... that is zinging right along for that bullet , about 400 fps faster then i have ever been able to get it to shoot reliably without any issues.

i have to ask .. any leading ? what are you using for alloy and powder . will it group without any fliers

i have had the best luck with that bullet using my own personal go to powder .. 2400 at roughly 1700fps .
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:08 am
2343 fps! Whow! Sure hope you're using gas checks.

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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:22 pm
Rick wrote:
2343 fps! Whow! Sure hope you're using gas checks.

I would like to hear more about it also. I've started casting for a couple pistols, but would like to try rifle some day.

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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:54 am
i am going to go out on a limb and say he is using the lyman 311284 mold . and if so it is a gas check design .

i like the bullet design the nice long full dia nose works well with the long throats in most of the milsurps .
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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:58 pm
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i am going to go out on a limb and say he is using the lyman 311284 mold . and if so it is a gas check design .

i like the bullet design the nice long full dia nose works well with the long throats in most of the milsurps .


Still that is moving right along, some folks come right up near jacketed velocity in some guns with cast, but it is not usually a simple proposition :-).

210 grains of bullet at that velocity is nothing to sneer at either :-). Lyman 48 stops at 2327 fps with XMP-5744 powder at 57,900 psi. RX7 hits 2254 at 47,000 cup, all of the above in 30-06, if a caliber was mentioned I did not see it in the OP's post.(Edit he did say M1917 which means 30-06 to me).

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:02 pm
willbird wrote:
210 grains of bullet at that velocity is nothing to sneer at either :-). Lyman 48 stops at 2327 fps with XMP-5744 powder at 57,900 psi. RX7 hits 2254 at 47,000 cup, all of the above in 30-06, if a caliber was mentioned I did not see it in the OP's post.

Rifle was an M1917 so .30-06 seems likely.

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:04 pm
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willbird wrote:
210 grains of bullet at that velocity is nothing to sneer at either :-). Lyman 48 stops at 2327 fps with XMP-5744 powder at 57,900 psi. RX7 hits 2254 at 47,000 cup, all of the above in 30-06, if a caliber was mentioned I did not see it in the OP's post.

Rifle was an M1917 so .30-06 seems likely.


Yea I just did an edit :-).

That is on the top end of cast bullet performance in 30-06 according to Lyman 48. Lyman 48 is my reloaders bible almost.

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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:14 pm
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That is on the top end of cast bullet performance in 30-06 according to Lyman 48. Lyman 48 is my reloaders bible almost.

Lyman's 49th is mine - at least for my cast reloading. I haven't done any cast reloading for rifle cartridges though I do load .30-06 jacketed and I must say that looks impressive. Premium factory 210GR hunting ammo usually only runs about 100fps faster. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:04 pm
i do wish the op would chime in with a bit more info in what he is using , curiosity has the best of me at the moment .

and i do agree 2400 fps is at the very high end with cast bullets .
i stopped at roughly 2000 fps with the same bullet i just could not keep consistant groups any faster
even with very hard alloys most recovered bullets showed evidence of stripping or skidding in the rifling if you will in my 03a3 .
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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:16 pm
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willbird wrote:
That is on the top end of cast bullet performance in 30-06 according to Lyman 48. Lyman 48 is my reloaders bible almost.

Lyman's 49th is mine - at least for my cast reloading. I haven't done any cast reloading for rifle cartridges though I do load .30-06 jacketed and I must say that looks impressive. Premium factory 210GR hunting ammo usually only runs about 100fps faster. :shock:


By golly I mistyped, it was 49th :-)....I have a couple 48th's too.

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:52 am
willbird wrote:
By golly I mistyped, it was 49th :-)....I have a couple 48th's too.

49th, 48th, what's the difference? :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:34 am
JustaShooter wrote:
willbird wrote:
That is on the top end of cast bullet performance in 30-06 according to Lyman 48. Lyman 48 is my reloaders bible almost.

Lyman's 49th is mine - at least for my cast reloading. I haven't done any cast reloading for rifle cartridges though I do load .30-06 jacketed and I must say that looks impressive. Premium factory 210GR hunting ammo usually only runs about 100fps faster. :shock:



Lyman 49th is mine too, an excellent resource to check load data --- and to read in the john.

There is an excellent forum resource for lead heads --- http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

I hope to join the ranks of casters soon too! :D

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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:52 am
JustaShooter wrote:
willbird wrote:
By golly I mistyped, it was 49th :-)....I have a couple 48th's too.

49th, 48th, what's the difference? :wink:

(First wiseguy that says "One!" gets a (virtual) whack upside the head! :mrgreen:



Sometimes the new ones have some cool stuff in them. Memory tells me that the one I cut my teeth on as a kid, literally was maybe a 13th ?? Back when they had the plastic binder wrap thingy ??

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Post subject: Re: Started Casting
Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:44 am
Yes, I am using the Lyman 311284 mold with a gas check, no leading using 45% Gulf Wax, 45% petroleum jelly, and 10% STP oil treatment. I had used what little H414 that I had, so I didn't get to do any serious load development, just seeing how fast I could get them without issue in my strongest 30-06.

Hopefully, I'll be buying some H4350 next time I get to town, then I'll do some proper load development. I really don't like H414 because of hang-fires with lightish loads, but that was the only powder in the store at that time, that my 30-06s could use.

I've had good luck with velocities above 2200 with my 30-30, and figured the 30-06s would do well also. Hopefully, I'll be able to find suitable powder to try.
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