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Post subject: Travel Laws with AR15
Post Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:13 pm
I did search for this, but was unable to find a definitive answer.
I am new to the AR15 platform.

For someone with their Ohio CCW permit (although perhaps it does not mean anything) what is the legal way to travel with an AR15?
.. Obviously the rifle needs to be unloaded.
.. Does it have to be in the trunk? Or can it be in a container in the back seat?
.. Can the ammo be in a magazine?
.. Does the ammo need to be separated from the rifle or can it be in the same container?

Thanks to anyone who can help me or guide me to where I can find this information.

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Post subject: Re: Travel Laws with AR15
Post Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:36 pm
Gary:

Welcome Aboard!

There's a sticky referenced in the "Forum Rules" masthead at the top of this page. Please have a look at it. It's not mandatory, and may be sleep inducing, but.... :D You might get some idea who's here, and how this place works. Or, at least, find out who the little dog in my avatar is....

We just had a thread about legal unlicensed carry of a handgun, and the results pretty well covered how to carry a long gun, too.

Naturally, I can't find it....

Ammo in the magazine is fine, but nothing in the chamber, and the ammunition should be in a separate container, or, at least in a separate portion of the gun box/bag.

The "idea" is that you need to perform multiple (and visible) operations to bring the gun to bear. Officer Safety.... But not "Our Safety"....

Hopefully somebody else will chime in and correct me :D....

Meantime, a long gun can also be openly carried (like in a back window gun rack) but with the action open. I'm not sure if "plain sight" applies....

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Post subject: Re: Travel Laws with AR15
Post Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:11 pm
Stu pretty much covered it, magazines can be loaded but must be stored separately - separate container, or separate compartment that closes with a fastener in the same container (like a gun case with magazine pockets, as long as the pockets close with a fastener). It does not have to be in the trunk, but I'd probably put it there anyhow.

Since it is a long gun over 24" in length, it can also be in plain sight with the action open (although, for an AR platform rifle that actually makes it *easier* to load and use, but hey, the law is the law...)

All of the above can be found at http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.16 - pay particular attention to the definitions in (K) (5) (a) near the end of the section. That's where you'll find what "unloaded" means.

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Post subject: Re: Travel Laws with AR15
Post Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:55 pm
Welcome!

Here is the part of the Ohio code which pertains to your question:

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2923.16(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:

(1) In a closed package, box, or case;

(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;

(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;

(4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.

(5)

(a) "Unloaded" means

, with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question , and one of the following applies:

(i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that may be used with the firearm in question.

(ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure.

(b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:

(i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;

(ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents.

(c) For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.

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Post subject: Re: Travel Laws with AR15
Post Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:05 pm
here's some cliffnotes on transporting, pertaining to "loaded" vs. "unloaded"...

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8845

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Post subject: Re: Travel Laws with AR15
Post Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:13 am
Thank you all for helping me understand the laws . . .
Great information and great forum !!
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