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  • Why was there not testimony from the BFA?

    BFA was absent for the testimony for Constitutional Carry Bill HB178? Why do they ignore it like a plague?
    I carry a firearm because a cop is too heavy and takes too many breaks.

    Montani Semper Liberi - (Mountaineers Are Always Free)

  • #2
    I have asked this many times, both here in the forums and on their FB page, and have not yet received a response. I smell shenanigans.
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    • #3
      There is some discussion about this bill taking place right now among BFA leadership. We've been present for the committee hearing when it was introduced, and understand the scope of the bill as presented. do not be so quick to throw us under the bus. There is more to this process than meets the eye. I'll be posting our official position on it once we've hammered that out. Just to be clear, BFA fully supports constitutional carry in Ohio. That is not the issue. We have many legislative priorities we are working on, and this particular bill is not "ours" and before we jump in swinging, there are other considerations to weigh in regard to where we focus our energy and resources...
      Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper No 10

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      • #4
        So, it’s not your bill so you just basically ignore it? I thought we were suppose to fighting these tyrants together to get our rights restored! Your absent doesn’t go unnoticed. The NRA has been doing the same thing. It’s very disconcerting when you say it’s not “ours”, it’s is ours and for you to say that is telling me BFA is very conceded and only worries about themselves and are not fighting the true intent of the 2nd Amendment without it being on your terms. Our rights do not have terms. Stand the hell up fight with us, not in the background until you propose a bill that you can compromise on. This has been your problem for decades. This is why CC has been fought for 25 years. Your actions speak louder than your words.
        I carry a firearm because a cop is too heavy and takes too many breaks.

        Montani Semper Liberi - (Mountaineers Are Always Free)

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        • #5
          So Aaron, BFA couldn't review the bill and come up with a position before the proponent testimony hearings (which you were most certainly *NOT* present for)? Other gun rights groups were able to do so...
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          • #6
            Yes, we reviewed the bill. Yes we came up with a position before the proponent testimony, which we were most certainly NOT present for (there have been 3 proponent and 3 opponent). We, however WERE present when the bill was introduced (as I stated previously). Additionally, we are most certainly NOT present for every single committee hearing on even OUR OWN bills... it is not necessary. I'm not posting details on how/why our position has been to neither support (with our limited time and resources) the bill, or oppose it. Suffice it to say, we will never oppose a decent pro gun bill in the Ohio legislature, and our track record speaks for itself. We support bills that become law. Whether this particular bill becomes law or not remains to be seen. BFA's official position regarding constitutional carry for Ohio:

            ... we absolutely support constitutional carry. Ohio is ready to join the 16 other states with permitless carry. There is no reason to think that it works in a third of the United States but won't work here. Remember, we already have constitutional carry if firearms are carried openly. That's been true for many years. When concealed carry was being considered, opponents said the sky would fall, there would be blood in the streets. It never happened. Every gun law since then has seen the same people make the same unfounded claims, and they have never come true. In the end, Ohio will have constitutional carry and it will work out just fine. The law abiding will continue to be law abiding and the criminals will continue to be criminals.

            Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper No 10

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            • #7
              Then why have I NOT gotten a alert about contacting my rep or the Reg Committee to encourage them to pass this bill out of committee like we do for any Bill BFA writes? I have already done that. But there are gun owners that are not seeing much of this information that only follows you and doing even know thetevhas been 6 testimonies on this bill and 4, unfairly have been against the Bill.


              Seems like your heart is not in to this CC Bill? And yes, BFA’s testimony on this CC would have gone a long ways to influence members. Why don’t you see that? Your effort is very lacking IMHO.

              BtW, I get alerts for your banquets and raffles all the time. Maybe you might want to add the latest on how our 2A Rights are being attacked daily on those E-Mails and how we can help to stop an anti-2A bill or support it? Just a thought!
              I carry a firearm because a cop is too heavy and takes too many breaks.

              Montani Semper Liberi - (Mountaineers Are Always Free)

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              • #8
                Publicly announcing information about our private discussions with legislators regarding the movement of ANY bill is bad juju. We are in constant communication with both branches of the state legislature on ALL firearm related bills in Ohio...along with other bills we deem important. For instance Joe Uecker's knife rights bill is expected to get a second committee hearing. This bill would make all legal knives in Ohio fall under the CCW license, an issue we would really like to see resolved. One step toward making our CHL (concealed handgun license) become a CWL or concealed weapon license. I'll keep you informed as public information becomes available.

                I wish I could simply post everything I know about HB178, but I cannot. BFA has developed a strong relationship with our state legislature, in both the House and the Senate over the yrs. Speaking out of turn regarding our private conversations with these folks is NOT the way to keep the channels of communication open. It is a complicated process, and it is not always obvious to those outside that process to see what IS being done, what SHOULD be done, and what should NOT be done. While this process may be extremely frustrating at times (almost all the time) it is the way it works. We cannot change it. I expect HB178 will pass out of committee, whether it receives a floor vote remains to be seen.

                Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper No 10

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                • #9
                  That’s some crap right there.

                  If you don’t recognize the problem you will never change it. When you lay with dogs you get the fleas.

                  And knife rights With a permissions slip? What crap is that? I see now why you don’t want Constitutional Carry to pass in Reality. At least this bill. You want your knife “rights” to pass and if this CC passes, that will screw up your knife bill and probably gets thrown out. Because, you will be able to carry a knife with a persimmons slip in the state but won’t need one with any arms. Because this CC bill HB178 I do believe, will cover knives as well and that will crush that bill. We should be on the same side here but you people are more about making friends and promoting your own crap than fighting for the rights Ohioans already have and need to get the foot of the politicians off the neck of gun owner and knife owners.


                  You don't need permission slips to exercise a rights. WTH are you guys doing? It’s a disgrace.These politicians are not your friend and never will be. They are our employees, we don’t work for them! Wake the hell up!

                  I carry a firearm because a cop is too heavy and takes too many breaks.

                  Montani Semper Liberi - (Mountaineers Are Always Free)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Aaron View Post
                    For instance Joe Uecker's knife rights bill is expected to get a second committee hearing. This bill would make all legal knives in Ohio fall under the CCW license,
                    That bill does no such thing. If this is the extent of your knowledge and understanding of the legislation pending in the OGA then it is no wonder what we see from BFA has such bad optics.

                    First and foremost, if BFA does not publicly support a gun-rights bill, does not show up and testify at the proponent hearings, it sends a clear message to the legislators, and that message is "BFA does not support this bill" and since BFA is purportedly a gun-rights organization that carries an undertone of "BFA opposes this bill, else we'd publicly support it".

                    So, your statement that
                    Suffice it to say, we will never oppose a decent pro gun bill in the Ohio legislature, and our track record speaks for itself. We support bills that become law. Whether this particular bill becomes law or not remains to be seen. BFA's official position regarding constitutional carry for Ohio:

                    ... we absolutely support constitutional carry.
                    is complete and utter hogwash.
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                    • #11
                      You want your knife “rights” to pass and if this CC passes, that will screw up your knife bill and probably gets thrown out.
                      It's not "our bill" and though the focus of the bill is to make the manufacture and sale of spring assist knives legal in Ohio, there is a hope to add a preemtion, and also make the concealed carry of any legal knife a lawful activity. If it does, then when CC passes... knife rights follow suit. I apologize for muddying the water by not going into more detail. I try and jump on here to post things between helping customers, mowing the range, cleaning up brass, etc. Tonight, it's a few moments of quiet time before closing the facility for the evening.

                      Sorry you feel this way
                      is complete and utter hogwash.
                      justashooter. You are right, there is a message being sent to the legislators. That message is different, depending on the particular legislator.

                      Regardless of what we do, or do not do these days...BFA gets attacked. There are reasons we do what we do, and don't do what we don't do. There is a method to the madness, a system within which we must work. It's disheartening dealing with the rancor, but in the end, we must stay the course.

                      At least we have some animated discussion in the forums again...
                      Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper No 10

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                      • #12
                        If you guys don't have the time to do your duties at BFA to promote pro - 2nd Amendment laws or fight against draconian unconstitutional laws via E-mails etc, why do you have time to promote raffles, advertisement for other crap that I'm sure you find time to attend and rub elbows with your favorite politicians to woo them into sponsoring more bills forcing Ohioans to get more permission slip to exercise our rights? I get one every other day but you can't update the occasional movement or needed contacting your Reps to appose or support any given bill at certain times? I thought that was what you were getting for in dues and donations?

                        You constantly have excuses for having regular jobs, I understand that, however, if you don't have time to do BFA work that members PAY FOR, is very troubling. Why don't you hire an intern to send these things out if you were really interested in stopping these attacks on our 2A rights? It sounds like to me you are more concerned about BFA'a income than attacking these politicians who keep screwing us in the back.

                        I mean, REPUBLICANS are in charge of both houses and the is Governor, this should be rainbows and lollipops for our 2A rights and shouldn't be so hard to GET THEM BACK. We understand fighting the Police State Socialist Democrats. But WTH is the excuse we have to come pandering and begging REPUBLICANS who told us if we elect them they will support all pro- 2A bills? They lied their asses off and you excuse them by saying this is how it works? BS!

                        You need to start telling them if they do not start supporting these 2A bills, they will be going home during the primaries because the BFA and every gun owner in Ohio will be fighting to defeat them in the Primaries . Stand up and fight this crap and stop coddling and begging our employees to get our damn rights back. It's ludicrous.

                        And stop telling people they just don't understand how the system works. We know exactly how the corrupt system works. It's very condescending, arrogant and very myopic to talk to people like that. People you are suppose to want as paid members and suppose to be on the same page of restoring our given away rights.

                        P.S. Really tired of the excuse why you can't fix the forum why every post must be approved still. I've never had another forum that has ever done it this way. I think It's more about not wanting to fix it. than can't fix.
                        I carry a firearm because a cop is too heavy and takes too many breaks.

                        Montani Semper Liberi - (Mountaineers Are Always Free)

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                        • #13
                          I just saw this and approved your post. I agree that this has been an ongoing pain. Sometimes the forum logs me out before I can hit the buttons needed to do approvals, phony member bans, etc. RIGHT NOW the software is working. Later today, who knows?

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