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  • Experimental intermediate size action with the Montana PH, for comparison.

    It is an experimental action for our 416 HSM, to do our speed testing with

    and get a better action than Cheytac size actions, for bigger case ELR use,

    without going all way up to more expensive, huge actions.

    It is big long round style action that can take our 416 HSM, almost

    1.6" diameter action and .800" bolt, with locking lugs nearly as big as most

    BMG actions.... ED



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    • Experimental intermediate size action with the Montana PH, for comparison.

      It is an experimental action for our 416 HSM, to do our speed testing with

      and get a better action than Cheytac size actions, for bigger case ELR use,

      without going all way up to more expensive, huge actions.

      It is big long round style action that can take our 416 HSM, almost

      1.6" diameter action and .800" bolt, with locking lugs nearly as big as most

      BMG actions.... ED



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      • Here is picture of the bolt from the experimental action,

        with our 416 HSM case in it. Note the amount of the

        base size of locking lugs, the amount of area on the bolt..





        Here is link to guy doing special 585 HE in the EU,

        Good pictures............www.585he.cz

        We tested intermediate action with a 700HE barrel we had here.

        Just temporary to test strength. 1000 gr over 3100..

        Action worked fine.. Ed.

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        • Here is video of early water barrel test of the

          12ga From Hell, from years ago.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c48zTpsgbuk


          Here is picture from that video..





          Here is the intermediate size action for 416 HSM with test barrel, .Ed


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          • When will the Hubel be available?
            Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper No 10

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            • Which are you asking about....We have 375 &416 HE cases and reamer,

              Got 416 HSM cases and reamer, Got 585 HE cases and Reamer, etc


              In 416 HSM got a 415 gr long target bullet 3800,

              with plain barrel, no brake, on intermediate action,

              Our 416 HE gets same 415gr bullet to 3300.Ed

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              • Bob Snapp, 90, the great Gun Craftsman, of

                Clare, Michigan, passed away Jan 28th....

                He was an esteemed member of the

                American Custom Gunmakers Guild,

                Being its president in 1992..He liked

                working with Martini Cadet singleshot rifles

                .Worked with guys testing armor long time ago.

                Maybe the 1st to do 20mm necked down to 50cal

                We lost a great friend,,,Ed

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                • Sorry to hear about Bob, it's a sad day when we lose a venerable member of the 2A community. All the experience and knowledge that is simply gone from us...not to mention the personality and character of a true patriot, who will be missed by many.

                  585 is the one I was curious about....
                  Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper No 10

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                  • We got lots of 585 HE cases, can help folks get setup, email us, [email protected]
                    .....


                    It is possible rig up holders for many types setups.,

                    About shellholder supply for big cases,

                    RCBS and others make slip in holders for shotgun cases

                    that can work or reworked for big rimmed rifle cases...

                    Here are various sizes.......

                    16ga-- .810" rim,........ 20ga-- .760" rim,....

                    24ga-- .725" rim,....... 28ga .680" rim....

                    Ch4d and Buffalo Arms also have these larger shellholders...


                    We fireform the 416 HSM with 65 gr of medium speed

                    surplus powder, with rest of case filled with farina

                    and grits mix, with a play dough plug in the neck.

                    It is loud, so we shoot it into big container through a barrel size

                    size hole, so the sound is muffled, so it doesn't deafen us..


                    It is great getting more companies making 416 caliber bullets,

                    long target and bore rider bullets. Ed..



                    ....

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                    • Wonder if a PTRD with 5 ft long barrel is stable enough

                      for ELR , rebarrel to 416 and use our 416 HSM, 500 gr bullet ....

                      .Here is up north guy using 585 HE in a PTRD with inserts,

                      Light load.....Inserts are in the shape of the 14.5mm case....


                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyab...ature=youtu.be


                      HERE ia video, 585 Hubel Express and water jugs - slow motion

                      750 gr with 155gr RE17, just a moderate load.....Ed


                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAo1mJqw8Y

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                      • Nice...
                        Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper No 10

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                        • 20mm Vulcan is a big case that works ok, without having

                          the sides made too thick...They have thinner sides

                          than smaller cases guys are getting that have the sides

                          made too thick and won't extract easy or work with high pressures.


                          Here Barnard P Cheytac bolt that would do for our 416 HSM..Ed......

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