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  • willbird
    started a topic Mossberg Shockwave in Ohio

    Mossberg Shockwave in Ohio

    I saw the article. I'm thinking there was an article a week or two ago then a rewrite that corrected some things like the age to purchase legally from FFL under federal law (it is 21 or older).

    Still an addendum to the article might be worthwhile to point out that a person who holds the Ohio Permit to Possess Dangerous Ordnance could indeed own the Shockwave legally under Ohio law.

    But as far as I understand the FFL would have to have the license as well because there is no FFL exemption in ORC for possession of such stuff.

    The situation is quite similar to the Calico large capacity firearms that held more than 31 rounds, before ORC was changed to not classify them as "automatic firearms"....I do know there were some of those in Ohio because and FFL I know contacted me about repairing one, he did not want it on his bound books.

    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.18


    Bill

  • daveshooter
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    These Firearms are Legal Now in the State of Ohio. Thanks to the Gov
    Mike Dewine signing this into law as allowed to be had by Ohio Gun Owners.
    Right on....

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  • daveshooter
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    Ohio needs just to add an amendment to the State ROC code to make this legal under the State of Ohio Laws as Goofy as the Ohio Law is the way it is written in regards to this firearm. Come on Ohio get with the Program. Just as the State of Tx and other states have done to make this a legal firearm in their State law....

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  • brian d.
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    It's my understanding, the AG won't answer questions of a legal nature and refer you to an attorney.

    Anyone can feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong.


    Absolutely correct, Six Shooter. They'll reply to prosecutors, law directors, and some other municipal, township, and county admins/elected officials.

    I get that they can't be "free lawyers" for the entire population of Ohio, but there times a LOT of us have the same question, you know?

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  • six shooter
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    Has anyone asked the AG outright for their opinion on it?

    It's my understanding, the AG won't answer questions of a legal nature and refer you to an attorney.

    Anyone can feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong.

    Ya know Im in the middle of building a few AR15's, my First..
    I decided I'd build them out in pistol configuration first so I could legally convert back and forth between rifle/pistol.

    Prior to the latest ATF ruling, some would have said that you are in "constructive possession" of an

    unlicensed SBR. How times change.
    AR15 pistols just look stupid with that tube stick out the a** of it.

    I'm with you on that.

    If you want a SBR, just pay for the tax stamp.

    (and the hearing loss)

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  • joe sixpack
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    I was kinda surprised with the article, Not that I personally want a shockwave.. But I figured they was legal.. especially if any local dealer is selling them.

    Has anyone asked the AG outright for their opinion on it?
    Actually that's what I figured. Personally have no use for the Shockwave, or an AR based pistol.

    Now, an M1921 Thompson smg, Cutts compensator and vertical foregrip? Yee- Haw!
    Ya know Im in the middle of building a few AR15's, my First..
    I decided I'd build them out in pistol configuration first so I could legally convert back and forth between rifle/pistol.

    At first I thought the idea of a AR15 pistol was stupid a hoop to jump thru to maintain flexibility. But as time has gone on the idea has grown on me and Im actually looking forward to leaving at least one of the builds in pistol config.

    Although I will admit due to the buffer tube, I'd rather have a kel-tec plr16 or a mini draco (or similar)

    AR15 pistols just look stupid with that tube stick out the ass of it.

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  • six shooter
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    Six Shooter:

    Almost a personal attack there....

    Brian doesn't like the mentioned firearms. I don't much care for them, either (my essentially legal Mossberg is close), but while he may have been a little less than tactful, it's just an opinion....

    You can more or less say anything you want to on this board - at least anything you'd say with the kiddies around. Otherwise, to get banned, edited, or worse, you really have to work at it.

    Enjoy!
    Thanks for the warm welcome.

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  • brian d.
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    Personally have no use for the Shockwave, or an AR based pistol.!
    Thanks.... for trying to impose your brand of justice upon me.

    What's next ? Stifle my freedom of speech ?

    Offering my opinion on a couple of firearms is all. People do that on gun forums sometimes.

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  • smmassociates
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    Six Shooter:

    Almost a personal attack there....

    Brian doesn't like the mentioned firearms. I don't much care for them, either (my essentially legal Mossberg is close), but while he may have been a little less than tactful, it's just an opinion....

    You can more or less say anything you want to on this board - at least anything you'd say with the kiddies around. Otherwise, to get banned, edited, or worse, you really have to work at it.

    Enjoy!

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  • six shooter
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    Personally have no use for the Shockwave, or an AR based pistol.!
    Thanks.... for trying to impose your brand of justice upon me.

    What's next ? Stifle my freedom of speech ?

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  • brian d.
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    Actually that's what I figured. Personally have no use for the Shockwave, or an AR based pistol.

    Now, an M1921 Thompson smg, Cutts compensator and vertical foregrip? Yee- Haw!

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  • six shooter
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    So let's say I go to Bud's Guns in Lexington to buy one in person. So I get out my Ohio driver's license in preparation of filling out the Form 4473 and do the NICS check. Will the clerk see my DL and refuse to make the sale? What if I then tell them the gun was going to be kept at my vacation home in Kentucky someplace and would never be taken to Ohio?

    Now we got a conundrum.

    You could buy it there.

    But, you would need to have it transferred to an Ohio FFL.

    Just like a handgun.

    Because.... it's not a shotgun.


    And how many federally licensed Ohio firearms dealers are already doing that ?

    Several, that I know of.

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  • donttreadonme
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    Brian - that would be up to Bud's to do the sale, but for ATF compliance purposes the info on their sales receipt has to match the info on the 4473, so they'd have to call it in as a KY residency meaning you'd have to show proof of KY residency, which again is likely to clear them of the "negligently fail" standard to avoid a (OH) criminal charge themselves. Whether they'd be willing to do that or not is up to them.

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  • brian d.
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    So let's say I go to Bud's Guns in Lexington to buy one in person. So I get out my Ohio driver's license in preparation of filling out the Form 4473 and do the NICS check. Will the clerk see my DL and refuse to make the sale? What if I then tell them the gun was going to be kept at my vacation home in Kentucky someplace and would never be taken to Ohio?

    Now we got a conundrum.

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  • donttreadonme
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    So, what you're saying is....

    A federally licensed Ohio firearms dealer, (knowingly) violated Ohio law when they sold me one.

    Interesting.


    That sounds like a lot of liability to incur.

    No, I'm saying its legal status in Ohio is unclear and likely will be until an appeals court or statewide authority releases a formal, public notice about it. There are businesses who are not willing to sell it, and others who are. Maybe they received an ok from a local authority - that would probably clear them of the "negligently fail" standard to avoid a criminal charge themselves, but that won't help their customers.

    To call it just "people on the internet" is to diminish the serious legality question here. In addition to Buds Gun Shop and Palmetto State Armory, I've now discovered that Davidson's / Gallery of Guns will also not sell this in Ohio. These are companies that are in the business of making money, and do it well and on a large scale, but have decided not to sell this product to Ohioans because of the legal question.

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