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  • smmassociates
    started a topic New Members - Welcome Aboard! & Please Read

    New Members - Welcome Aboard! & Please Read

    For all you new members:

    Welcome aboard!

    Sammy and I run the "New Members" section. He thinks he's a 200# Rott....

    Just keep it "family", avoid personal attacks, and we don't sell firearms on this board.

    Otherwise, don't be afraid to jump in with comments, questions, etc.

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    New updates at the bottom of this thing if you've seen the rest before....

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    Ran into something the other day that needs to be said: If you're a new member with questions about an arrest or similar bit of nastiness, or an old member who cranked off Officer Harless, please be careful to NOT post much of anything. No solid rules (as yet), but "does anybody know a good lawyer?" is really all the detail you should post until a case is concluded. Very simply, the other side, whether it's an anti-freedom organization, your local prosecutor, or somebody's lawyer, anybody can read this board, and when in litigation, it's unwise to make almost anything public.

    It's perfectly all right to ask for opinions on the law - even if you're doing it from the greybar - but this is the Internet, and any sort of response is possible. "How many years could somebody get for driving into a schoolyard while armed?" is OK. "How many years will I get 'cause I did that last night?" is not....

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    When you hit the board, there are some little things on the upper right of the screen as viewing options. You can use these to quickly scan the board for stuff you haven't seen and might be interested in. Saves trying to remember old threads that you've not subscribed to (see below for "subscriptions"), or thrashing around trying to find new stuff.

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    Management has asked me to remind everybody - particularly new members - not to come to this forum to bash other Second Amendment rights organizations. If you have a problem with them, take it directly to them and not here.

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    ETA in the "Management" section:

    Management has decided to forbid almost all firearms sales or transfers by way of the BFA "Trading Post" or PM's. Please have a look at http://forums.buckeyefirearms.org/vi...p=78086#p78086 for details.

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    Look out for Rich 2.0. Every organization has at least one member you don't get to meet until you're hooked.... Cookies will placate him. Sammy likes doggie treats....

    Seems like I end up either missing new members or having to post this a half-dozen times, often in the same session ....

    SO, here it is for all. And if you didn't read it, and ran into Rich, well, I told you so.... :mrgreen:

    Sammy's associates, the "Attack Cats" insisted on their pictures being included:

    That's Peaches and Duke, respectively. She's afraid of nothing. He's afraid of everything. They're sitting on their attack post - about 5' off the ground, watching everything.

    ETA: Peaches has gained so much weight that she can no longer safely get up on top of that thing, and Duke gave up on it a while back, too. She now prefers to sit on top of my laptop in the family room. Not too good if I want to use it. Duke seems to prefer sitting on the dining room table.

    Help....

    ETA: Don't forget to plug in your location and anything else you want to provide in your Profile. "User Control Panel", which you can find "above", is the place to do that. And the kittens like tuna....

    ETA:Wiley posted a note on Copyright Policy. Good idea to click on the link below and read it when you get a chance. Otherwise one of the attack cats may be dispatched to discuss it with you ....

    http://forums.buckeyefirearms.org/vi...hp?f=2&t=10467

    There's a little more commentary on this subject below.

    ETA:If you're considering Concealed Carry, you should grab a copy of the Attorney General's booklet just for the heck of it. While the AG's booklet is NOT the law, it does explain a lot of things.

    The booklet is at http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/F...ws-Manual.aspx

    Thanks to NuDreamer 'cause I couldn't find it, the CHL Application is located on the AG's web site at http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/C...ApplicationPDF. This version is the "download and type or write on version." Eventually there's a "type in and print" version updated by somebody - I'll try to find that.

    I just noticed http://forums.buckeyefirearms.org/vi...hp?f=11&t=8016 with links to the applications, etc.

    These addresses change every once in a while - poke around the A/G's web site if you can't find what you wanted.

    There's all kinds of useful information on our home page, too: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/

    (The above two links posted here 'cause I can never remember where they are, and tend to fall asleep while trying to find them....)

    ETA: Cableguy was kind enough to post this list of Liquor License Classes: http://www.com.ohio.gov/liqr/permitclasses.aspx. Now if I could only remember where I bookmarked the list of Licensees....

    ETA: Sammy insisted I post this link.... It's not him - he's a "short hair" and the dog shown has longer hair and shorter legs. But it's hilarious.... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=P9Fyey4D5hg

    ETA: Again.... Please don't bash OFCC or other forums here....

    ETA: I just ran into this again and decided that it belonged here:

    About quoting things from other sources, within the copyright issues mentioned elsewhere, please don't just drop a URL on the board with out at least some idea of what's behind it.... A short summary, a comment, anything.... (A "NSFW" note might also be appropriate.)

    Your effort to keep us informed is appreciated, but some of the guys are too busy to go fishing, and some may already know about the article and just want to comment....

    And some of us are too old to click on it :mrgreen: ....

    Don't quote the whole thing, though - the copyright people (and us admin types) get upset. Wiley's note, referenced above, says a lot more.

    ETA, if you're still here....:

    If you want to watch a thread to see what others have to say, there's a "Subscribe Topic" button at the top of the page. Click on it, and a couple more times, and the board will remember to tell you if anybody else posts in the topic.

    (You need to tell the User Control Panel where to send these. There's a "User Control Panel" button up top, too. Find "Profile" and there's an option for e-mail addresses - make sure that's OK. Then "Board Preferences" and "Posting Defaults" needs you to click "Notify Me"....) It's probably easier to do this than to explain it, but.... I saw an older member post in a thread just to get notified....

    Once in a while the Mods will move a post or a whole thread. If it's moved out of view, that's because they're really upset, or just considering whether to be upset or not. Otherwise, it's been moved to a more appropriate section. Or somebody (nah, not me) was pushing buttons randomly and.... One of those "View" options should find it.

    Another one from Sammy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hiy7mHFnU1Y . Again, not him, but this dog is the exact "sub-breed" that Sammy is - short hair and long legs. Same bark, too. Sammy's a bit older....

    ETA: Rich just sent me this: http://forums.buckeyefirearms.org/vi...p?f=15&t=11944. The cat looks like Peaches, and that's the sort of thing she'd do....

    (The thread is worth the read, so far, but the pic is at http://i1029.photobucket.com/albums/...pker/18713.gif if you're not in a reading mood .)

    AlanM was kind enough to post the following links:

    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923 That link will give you ALL of ORC 2923

    Here are some of the other sub-sections of the ORC and OAC that are relevant to firearms and their carrying.
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/gp9.68
    http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/109%3A2-3-10
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/109.69
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/109.731
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/504.04
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/1547.69
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2305.40
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2305.401
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2307.60
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2917.31
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.13
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.29
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4301.637

    Worth a look!

    ETA 12/16/2011
    Noticed some comments on the board about this....

    The Ohio Liquor Control Board (or whatever they're called) seems to require that places that serve Liquor post a sign to the effect of: "You may be committing a felony...." This sign does NOT apply to CHL holders. If you have a CHL, you may freely ignore it.

    The common gunbuster sign (usually showing a handgun with a slashed circle around it), however, whether the place serves liquor or not, DOES apply to CHL holders. If it is an enumerated Criminal Protection Zone (CPZ), that sign is an indication that proceeding inside while armed is a Felony. If it's a private CPZ (i.e., a furniture store), it's still a crime, but includes all kinds of "knowingly" and "don't get caught" aspects.

    On an enumerated CPZ (i.e., generally, buildings we paid for - schools, Police Stations, etc.), there may be "unless authorized" wording. CHL holders are NOT authorized.... If it's a private CPZ, there's some argument. My own view is that CHL holders are authorized, but there's no case law, and not everybody agrees with me. It's quite likely that the poster doesn't want CHL holders in there anyway, so it's best to stay out.

    Just to make everybody's day, Houses of Worship (Churches, Synagogues, Mosques, etc.) DO NOT have to post. They are, however, enumerated CPZ's. They MAY post "CHL's Welcome" or something to that effect, or they may (the law is fuzzy about who has the authority) permit selected individuals to carry without any notice, although a letter in you pocket is a good idea.

    Just IMHO, the "unless authorized" thing is a trap for visitors - one of those "depends on the definition of 'it'" things, and might not stand up in court. There's no case law.... The Houses of Worship thing appears to be another infringement with no case law.

    ****

    In any case, should you see an Ohio Liquor Control sign, DO NOT call/write/whatever anybody to remove it. They can't, but it might get them to think about putting up one of the others.

    DO NOT call if you don't see a sign to thank them for not posting. Might get somebody thinking....

    DO ask why they posted if you do see a proper Gunbuster sign....

    DO NOT be helpful if the sign isn't properly posted.... Behind the register in the back of the room doesn't count....

    **** 02/06/2012

    I have just been informed that my nieces and nephew from El Paso want equal time with the pictures of Sammy and the Attack Cats....


    Here are Bandit (on the left) and Pookie. She's about a year older, but half his size. Pekinese mixes of some sort. Hard to see it, but Bandit has a raccoon-style "mask" effect on his face. Pookie, who's sort of a "toy" size, pretty well lived on mom's lap for her last few months.

    ETA (01/04/2017): Bandit passed away a couple days ago. He likes to run around in the back yard, and some kind of bird got him. Surgery, etc., seemed to work, but about two days later, poof.... Mom, btw, passed on 02/14/2012 or something like that. Pookie got really confused. Since then, Pookie trashed her back trying to jump off the sofa. As mentioned, she's very small. She's trying to walk with some kind of wheels, and is otherwise doing OK.


    This is Gidget, the latest. Some kind of micro-Yorkie and Poodle mix. She's Bandit's size, more or less, but about half his weight, and only about six months old. Just learning to jump onto the sofa.

    I wanted to bring Pookie back here, but was outvoted.

    ****

    I just spotted this link:
    http://forums.buckeyefirearms.org/vi...hp?f=11&t=8016
    CHL license applications, AG's booklet, etc.

    ****
    Regards,

  • smmassociates
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    Brian:

    I can't find the "auto-log-out" function....

    No idea what was happening, but hopefully this will continue to work. At least until I find my keys....

    (Smilies apparently are not working....)

    Regards,

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  • brian d.
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    Now that I can (perhaps) post without being logged out, WELCOME!

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  • sgw gunsmith
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    New member, sorta. Joined around a year or so ago, but don't post too much. Full time gunsmith, have my shop in Northwestern Wisconsin, all the machinery I need to do what I do. Web-site www.saronagunworks.com. Just love making Ruger Mark pistols smoother and more reliable. Here's one completed project:


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  • smmassociates
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    terrey:

    Plan on a LOT of comments on "what kind of gun should I buy?"....

    (I did mention that we like to argue?)

    Enjoy!

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  • terreythompson
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    Hey, I'm Terrey Thompson. I just joined this forum to learn more about gun safety and what kind of firearms I should consider buying.

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  • terreythompson
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    nice info... it's fun to be here. i'm excited to be a part of this site.

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  • smmassociates
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    shakapar:

    Welcome Aboard!

    Many years ago a very good friend of mine ended up in Hawaii, and married a flight attendant. She was a knockout. Him, not much .... Haven't seen them since. Other than having to swim there 'cause I can't afford the plane fare, I wouldn't mind a visit, though. (I can afford to visit Cleveland. As if I wanted to .)

    Anyway, if you haven't already done so, you do want to read the first couple pages in this post. Nothing mandatory, though. If you're confused about how to get to it, there's a link at the top of this page.

    Regards,

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  • shakapar
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    Aloha from Hawaii, many years ago from Cleveland ..
    I have a firearms links page
    shakapar.com/arms

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  • smmassociates
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    chowser51:

    (As I mentioned elsewhere, I only have two cats. They're both three too many, so I guess that counts . My wife has a girlfriend who had thirteen cats for a while, but about half went with her ex-husband when they split. I have a sister with about six dogs if that counts .)

    We have a few Open Carry folks here. I'm not into it at all, but I really like the idea that if I print or otherwise get the attention of one of Toby Hoover's posse, I'm legal....

    However, the current rules on unlicensed Open Carry will really stick it to you. Basically, you need to totally "safe" the weapon outside of your vehicle before getting in, and load up outside the vehicle before carrying it. Talk about "open" carry....

    Unless you can't qualify for a CHL (it's a "license", not a "permit"), getting the license is more of a slightly expensive PITA than anything else. Meantime, we can use the counts, too.

    The 4473 thing is a minor convenience, IMHO. It does help in certain out-of-state things, too, but I think it's a nit-pick v.s. OH's previous background checking procedures.

    Mostly, the idea of a guy with an AK or AR slung over his shoulder at the mall really bothers me. Not because I mind the presence of the weapon, but because it sort of tweaks the nose of the folks who do....

    (Somewhere out there are a bunch of little old ladies who can't sleep because they're afraid that somebody, somewhere, is having fun....)

    Regards,

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  • chowser51
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    Hi everyone! Kitties!!!

    I have 3 dogs and 11 cats.

    Decided to join you guys for some perspective on open carry. I know what the ORC says and wanted to find out what type of info is out there. I'm a big believer in everything and always tell people to carry if they can.

    I'm debating applying for my cow permit for quicker 4473 checks but I don't really buy that many guns and most places can do the check in a few minutes.

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  • smmassociates
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    Gumby:

    Welcome Aboard!

    There's a sticky referenced in the "Forum Rules" masthead at the top of this page that you should have a look at, but it's not mandatory, and may be hazardous to your health.

    Otherwise, Enjoy!

    I only have one rotten dog, btw. But two cats ....

    Regards,

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  • gumby
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    Hello! I'm new to this site but but not to shooting or CCW. I have lurked just a little and have seen many old friends from another CCW website which is great - I'll be posting there too. I'm a 66-year-old woman and got my CCW back in 2008 (if memory serves). I'm a former (and occasional) deer hunter with a few heads on the wall, and a former trapshooter from way back when. Now I'm mostly just interested in self defense. I don't have any extraordinary training or awards but surely do admire those who do. I live in Vandalia, Ohio (near Dayton) and have been married for millions of years to darling hubby (DH). We have two rotten dogs who try to run the place and we've just moved back to Ohio after five years in Tennessee - yeah, I know. I'm a little crazy to move away from Nashville but at least I'm close to my Mom and siblings. Looking forward to hearing from folks and getting updated on Ohio gun stuff. Things were different in Tennessee - let's just say a little more laid back.

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  • wileycoyote
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    welcome DMW!

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  • smmassociates
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    DMW:

    Don't know how I missed you joining up....

    Welcome Aboard!

    There's a sticky referenced in the "Forum Rules" masthead at the top of this page that you should have a look at, but it's not mandatory, and may be hazardous to your health.

    Otherwise, Enjoy!

    Regards,

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